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Minimum wage rise for 18-21 - tHEgLASSdOORS - 11-25-2025
8%
Seems a strange decision to me given the precarious state of key employers for that age group and the rise in unemployment or those not in training either
RE: Minimum wage rise for 18-21 - CarlosCorbewrong - 11-26-2025
Pretty weird eh? Can only assume it's an attempt to shore up the vote of the one demographic that seems to still want left wing politics (assuming Starmer isn't leader at the next GE).
Add that to the NI increases, a decision not to support free bus travel for young uns... it's all a bit chaotic isn't it? It certainly lacks coherence, a narrative that common folk can understand... I wonder if Reeves has understood what proportion of the NEETs are choosing to be unemployed vs those who are just not worth the fuggin effort (we have a fucking diabolical (paid) intern right now so my view is biased) as the root cause would define the solutions rather than the current (apparent) "chuck some shit at the wall and see what happens"
RE: Minimum wage rise for 18-21 - Derek Hardballs - 11-26-2025
Let’s be honest this is Starmer and Reeves last hurrah. They won’t be with this time next year… and if they are they can kiss goodbye to any chance of a Labour government in three years time. Not sure how you get growth and more NEETs into work by curtailing/cutting the amount of low skilled entry jobs companies will create, but hey nothing Starmer and co have done has any sense of vision or joined up thought process.
Most younger people will vote Green, the only demographic that Labour appeals to now are comfortably well off, middle aged, white collar workers, who in the main have worked in large corporations or for government bodies/education/health and are waiting for their bumper pension and retirement.
RE: Minimum wage rise for 18-21 - tHEgLASSdOORS - 11-26-2025
(11-26-2025, 05:28 AM)CarlosCorbewrong Wrote: Pretty weird eh? Can only assume it's an attempt to shore up the vote of the one demographic that seems to still want left wing politics (assuming Starmer isn't leader at the next GE).
Add that to the NI increases, a decision not to support free bus travel for young uns... it's all a bit chaotic isn't it? It certainly lacks coherence, a narrative that common folk can understand... I wonder if Reeves has understood what proportion of the NEETs are choosing to be unemployed vs those who are just not worth the fuggin effort (we have a fucking diabolical (paid) intern right now so my view is biased) as the root cause would define the solutions rather than the current (apparent) "chuck some shit at the wall and see what happens"
A lot of them are working just outside of the tangible economy. The gulf between what that generation are doing and what is supposed is monumental
RE: Minimum wage rise for 18-21 - Derek Hardballs - 11-26-2025
(11-26-2025, 09:41 AM)tHEgLASSdOORS Wrote:(11-26-2025, 05:28 AM)CarlosCorbewrong Wrote: Pretty weird eh? Can only assume it's an attempt to shore up the vote of the one demographic that seems to still want left wing politics (assuming Starmer isn't leader at the next GE).
Add that to the NI increases, a decision not to support free bus travel for young uns... it's all a bit chaotic isn't it? It certainly lacks coherence, a narrative that common folk can understand... I wonder if Reeves has understood what proportion of the NEETs are choosing to be unemployed vs those who are just not worth the fuggin effort (we have a fucking diabolical (paid) intern right now so my view is biased) as the root cause would define the solutions rather than the current (apparent) "chuck some shit at the wall and see what happens"
A lot of them are working just outside of the tangible economy. The gulf between what that generation are doing and what is supposed is monumental
You mean quite a few NEETs are dealing drugs and petty crime.
RE: Minimum wage rise for 18-21 - tHEgLASSdOORS - 11-26-2025
Not really. Globalisation and tech has opened all sorts of avenues up that aren’t really either legit or illigit. The govt wouldn’t even know what to look for never mind how to measure it.
RE: Minimum wage rise for 18-21 - Derek Hardballs - 11-26-2025
(11-26-2025, 10:06 AM)tHEgLASSdOORS Wrote: Not really. Globalisation and tech has opened all sorts of avenues up that aren’t really either legit or illigit. The govt wouldn’t even know what to look for never mind how to measure it.
The NEETs I’ve known and worked with aren’t doing tech jobs in the grey market, they are riding around on dodgy off road bikes and pimped up electric scooters with their little man bags and balaclavas selling drugs to the kids and adults they used to go to school with. Different worlds eh
RE: Minimum wage rise for 18-21 - tHEgLASSdOORS - 11-26-2025
Im not saying none of them are doing that, just that it’s broader than that. And a lot of the things they are doing they would neither speak about or would it be visible.
Squares and deets, low level fraud, sale and return scams, as I say im talking about a whole range of things but the connectivity of tech is a common theme.
One thing is certain most of them pay better and require less ball ache than £10 an hour in the low skilled economy
RE: Minimum wage rise for 18-21 - Tom Joad 25 - 11-26-2025
I have no idea what a NEET is.
The rise that is being criticised is only 4.1%? They would have done better pointing that out at the start. Inflation is around 3.5%, food inflation is higher and we are told there will soon be an electricity increase of 5% or more. Of all the items mentioned so far this budget, the minimum wage and young persons MW increase is fairly negligible, no?
RE: Minimum wage rise for 18-21 - Borin' Baggie - 11-26-2025
(11-26-2025, 02:17 PM)Tom Joad 25 Wrote: I have no idea what a NEET is.
The rise that is being criticised is only 4.1%? They would have done better pointing that out at the start. Inflation is around 3.5%, food inflation is higher and we are told there will soon be an electricity increase of 5% or more. Of all the items mentioned so far this budget, the minimum wage and young persons MW increase is fairly negligible, no?
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