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Make it, make sense Blue Labour - Derek Hardballs - 11-21-2025
Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention (16-17
November 2025)
Reform UK: 27% (+1 from 9-10 Nov)
Labour: 19% (=)
Conservatives: 17% (-1)
Greens: 17% (+2)
Lib Dems: 13% (-1)
SNP: 3%（=）
As Blue Labour fail miserably to attract Reform voters, they are losing their core supporters to the Greens who are now level with the Tories. At what point do the numpties in No10 realise that they will NEVER attract Reform voters, it’s pathetic watching them try.
Unless Labour get rid of Starmer and his ‘advisers’ then they can expect to lose power and be wiped out at the next election in similar fashion to the Tories.
It’s madness that they are continuing with this lurch further and further right. Surely no one on the right of Labour still thinks they are on the ahem right track? Apart from Ponty of course, who seems to broadened the Labour church to the right of Reform.
RE: Make it, make sense Blue Labour - CarlosCorbewrong - 11-21-2025
Grown up sensible decisions for working people who were born and bred in England.
RE: Make it, make sense Blue Labour - B12Baggie - 11-27-2025
Given that Starmer seems to be somewhat willing to bow to populism, maybe the rise of the green party coupled with dissenting voices on the left of labour will force him to move back towards the left a bit as we move to the next election.
They surely can't keep moving to the right when it's evidently failing at winning votes.
RE: Make it, make sense Blue Labour - tHEgLASSdOORS - 11-27-2025
I’m not sure removing a benefit cap, leaving PIP and the WFA largely unchecked and providing free school meals for all up to a certain age is a lurch to the right
RE: Make it, make sense Blue Labour - Ted Maul - 11-27-2025
(11-21-2025, 10:30 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: Latest YouGov Westminster voting intention (16-17
November 2025)
Reform UK: 27% (+1 from 9-10 Nov)
Labour: 19% (=)
Conservatives: 17% (-1)
Greens: 17% (+2)
Lib Dems: 13% (-1)
SNP: 3%（=）
As Blue Labour fail miserably to attract Reform voters, they are losing their core supporters to the Greens who are now level with the Tories. At what point do the numpties in No10 realise that they will NEVER attract Reform voters, it’s pathetic watching them try.
Unless Labour get rid of Starmer and his ‘advisers’ then they can expect to lose power and be wiped out at the next election in similar fashion to the Tories.
It’s madness that they are continuing with this lurch further and further right. Surely no one on the right of Labour still thinks they are on the ahem right track? Apart from Ponty of course, who seems to broadened the Labour church to the right of Reform.
You can prove any old rubbish with stats Dekka.
RE: Make it, make sense Blue Labour - baggy1 - 11-27-2025
(11-27-2025, 11:57 AM)tHEgLASSdOORS Wrote: I’m not sure removing a benefit cap, leaving PIP and the WFA largely unchecked and providing free school meals for all up to a certain age is a lurch to the right
That doesn't fit the narrative GD - they're 'lurching to the right', be told. They're doing that by going after those poor folk that get income from rental and dividends. and don't forget those poor buggers who have house worth more than £2m.
RE: Make it, make sense Blue Labour - Logic1 - 11-27-2025
According to the Tories now, the reduction in net migration is due to them, but the poor state of the current economy is due to Labour! I'm not sure anyone seriously believes you can have it both ways.
I was also laughing listening to Radio 5 earlier. There was a lady absolutely livid with the government for taxing her 2 million pound home lol. Farmers were bleating as well... why is the government not giving me an inheritance tax subsidy to run my uneconomical farm that runs at a 2% margin. The farmers need to understand something... you voted for and encouraged Brexit - it's your fucking fault taxes are going up.
Don't tax you, don't tax me, tax that fellow behind the tree.
RE: Make it, make sense Blue Labour - baggy1 - 11-27-2025
And as for making it make sense - on those figures if Labour took on the Green policies and attracted all of their voters (they wouldn't but lets go with that) then that would put them on 36%, 9 points ahead of Reform. If they manage to convince just half of the Reform voters then they would be on 34% but then 20 points ahead of Reform.
If taxing the wealthy through increase in dividend tax, rental income tax and property tax on top of the changes to IHT last year then this isn't about the policy of taxing the rich. We're then back to personality politics - something you specifically called out with Johnson and Corbyn.