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RE: UK Covid death toll - Derek Hardballs - 11-24-2020
(11-23-2020, 11:19 PM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote:(11-23-2020, 03:44 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: How many of those suffering mental health problems are shielding? How much worse would it have been / will it be for them if everyone else is allowed to go back to normal at their expense? They are suffering just as much, I’d say more than those who haven’t had to. They aren’t expendable because they are inconvenient.
So we should all be fucking miserable, then?
So we should abandon the most vulnerable, their families and carers to over a year in isolation just to make others feel better? Two can play at this stupid game.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Malcolm Tucker - 11-24-2020
(11-24-2020, 07:19 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:(11-23-2020, 11:19 PM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote:(11-23-2020, 03:44 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: How many of those suffering mental health problems are shielding? How much worse would it have been / will it be for them if everyone else is allowed to go back to normal at their expense? They are suffering just as much, I’d say more than those who haven’t had to. They aren’t expendable because they are inconvenient.
So we should all be fucking miserable, then?
So we should abandon the most vulnerable, their families and carers to over a year in isolation just to make others feel better? Two can play at this stupid game.
Misery loves company, eh?
RE: UK Covid death toll - Derek Hardballs - 11-24-2020
(11-24-2020, 07:46 AM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote:(11-24-2020, 07:19 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:(11-23-2020, 11:19 PM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote:(11-23-2020, 03:44 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: How many of those suffering mental health problems are shielding? How much worse would it have been / will it be for them if everyone else is allowed to go back to normal at their expense? They are suffering just as much, I’d say more than those who haven’t had to. They aren’t expendable because they are inconvenient.
So we should all be fucking miserable, then?
So we should abandon the most vulnerable, their families and carers to over a year in isolation just to make others feel better? Two can play at this stupid game.
Misery loves company, eh?
Enjoyment of the fittest, eh?
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggiebuckster - 11-24-2020
Trust the scientists is the mantra isn't it. Good job they gave a half dose by mistake and not double eh?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/nov/23/oxford-covid-vaccine-hit-90-success-rate-thanks-to-dosing-error
RE: UK Covid death toll - Derek Hardballs - 11-24-2020
(11-24-2020, 09:30 AM)baggiebuckster Wrote: Trust the scientists is the mantra isn't it. Good job they gave a half dose by mistake and not double eh?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/nov/23/oxford-covid-vaccine-hit-90-success-rate-thanks-to-dosing-error
Many scientific breakthroughs are as a result of ‘mistakes’. I’d rather trust them than some very loud blowhards on SM. The vaccine makers have just said it wasn’t a mistake they did tests with different dosages (there’s a better word but I can’t remember it. Along the lines of regiment).
RE: UK Covid death toll - billybassett - 11-24-2020
(11-23-2020, 10:24 PM)Ossian Wrote: Be circumspect about what you believe (and disseminate)...
Well to start with if you're an NHS worker you'll be mandated to have it. Who knows what next - travel abroad - other health industry jobs. Thin end of the wedge.
Also if I read the latest data on the Oxford vaccine correctly there were 12000 volunteers in the trial who never had the vaccine and 12k that did.
99.2% of those who never had the vaccine didn't get Covid.
99.7% who did have the vaccine didn't get Covid.
Maybe I'm misreading this but doesn't sound compelling.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 11-24-2020
Another bad week for excess deaths with 1,904 more than the 5 year average and 1,604 more than 2019. This means that over the past 5 weeks we've had 6k excess deaths compared to the 5YA. The other bad piece of news is that we have reached and passed this week (week 46 to 13th Nov) the total amount of deaths for 2019 with 6 weeks to go. Compared to 2019 the majority of the excess deaths have come in the over 65s group with 1,322 of the 1,604 from that age group.
The good news is that the numbers in hospital appear to have plateaued at around 13.5k and hopefully will start to drop soon as we are at about the point of 3 weeks after the 2nd lockdown.
Other good news is that the excess deaths are not increasing in the same way that they did in April / May. The numbers against the 5YA for the past 5 weeks have been 669; 980; 996; 1,481 and 1,904, whereas in April they rapidly increased from the w/e 3rd April and were higher throughout with figures of 1,011; 6,082; 7,996; 11,854 and a peak of 11,539 on the w/e 24th April (6 or 7 weeks after lockdown). This wave / ripple has been much less severe than earlier in the year which could be down to many differences in the way we have been under restriction with a combination of better awareness.
There are other points of view as expressed by Billy and they may be valid - this may be just a very bad flu season, and there is a theory as discussed by Mike Yeadon that we have suffered this year because of what he calls 'dry tinder', i.e. because we have had a few years of mild winters and low deaths then there are a large number of people that would have, in normal circumstances, not made it this far and were susceptible to any virus that came along. This isn't my view but highlighting it for balance.
The obvious good news is the vaccine. Whether you believe it is needed or not there is now a definite end in sight to all of this by Easter. Fingers crossed that is all goes to plan - stay safe folks.
RE: UK Covid death toll - billybassett - 11-24-2020
So circa 450-500 deaths every day from cancer. 170K a year.
If we assume NHS Test & Trace has cost £20bn so far that's roughly 40-50x the amount spent on cancer research per year.
Imagine what we could have done with the money than waste it on this total PCR Dido shambles.
RE: UK Covid death toll - PeakBaggie - 11-24-2020
(11-23-2020, 04:13 PM)richbaggie Wrote: https://www.bitchute.com/video/LBeo24BvA5PU/
Is this Billy in disguise? Worth a listen if you have time. It very much supports much of what Billy says on here and its from the mouth of someone with a very strong respiratory pharmacol background.
I genuinely don't know who I believe any more. Vallance and Van Tam or Yeadon and Gupta. All vastly experienced in their fields but seem to be poles apart.
I find myself distrusting Vallance more and more given they are working so closely with the most untrustworthy and corrupt govt in my lifetime.
Compelling evidence on the face of it, but I still maintain that if you torture the stats enough
you can produce data or graphs that supports any view either side of the debate.
I prefer to put what faith I have in those on the front line in this battle against the virus. They
tell me that they have never faced anything like what they have been fighting for the past 9
months in ICU. Winters have come and gone, but they have witnessed illness and deaths like
no other year since they can remember. In point of fact, the second wave that so many deny is
happening, has claimed more victims that the first wave back in April/May. One said to me that
the politicians and SAGE are not in charge anymore than those that oppose, the virus is in
control again and only the advances in treatment and much more effective PPE is preventing
the situation becoming out of control.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Derek Hardballs - 11-24-2020
(11-24-2020, 10:14 AM)baggy1 Wrote: Another bad week for excess deaths with 1,904 more than the 5 year average and 1,604 more than 2019. This means that over the past 5 weeks we've had 6k excess deaths compared to the 5YA. The other bad piece of news is that we have reached and passed this week (week 46 to 13th Nov) the total amount of deaths for 2019 with 6 weeks to go. Compared to 2019 the majority of the excess deaths have come in the over 65s group with 1,322 of the 1,604 from that age group.
The good news is that the numbers in hospital appear to have plateaued at around 13.5k and hopefully will start to drop soon as we are at about the point of 3 weeks after the 2nd lockdown.
Other good news is that the excess deaths are not increasing in the same way that they did in April / May. The numbers against the 5YA for the past 5 weeks have been 669; 980; 996; 1,481 and 1,904, whereas in April they rapidly increased from the w/e 3rd April and were higher throughout with figures of 1,011; 6,082; 7,996; 11,854 and a peak of 11,539 on the w/e 24th April (6 or 7 weeks after lockdown). This wave / ripple has been much less severe than earlier in the year which could be down to many differences in the way we have been under restriction with a combination of better awareness.
There are other points of view as expressed by Billy and they may be valid - this may be just a very bad flu season, and there is a theory as discussed by Mike Yeadon that we have suffered this year because of what he calls 'dry tinder', i.e. because we have had a few years of mild winters and low deaths then there are a large number of people that would have, in normal circumstances, not made it this far and were susceptible to any virus that came along. This isn't my view but highlighting it for balance.
The obvious good news is the vaccine. Whether you believe it is needed or not there is now a definite end in sight to all of this by Easter. Fingers crossed that is all goes to plan - stay safe folks.
The voice of reason. Cheers B1. It's a real eye opener how some are handling this situation sadly.
Personally I know four people who have died of Covid and one who has ended up on a ventilator aged between approx 50-70yrs. Only one would have shielded from the 'flu'.