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RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 11-23-2020
Billy, you have got this completely backwards, I've never disagreed with any point you have made about testing and as I keep saying the points you raise on that have validity. I've not looked into them enough to form an opinion which is why I don't comment on them. And just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean i disagree with you.
My issue is that you downplay hospital admissions and excess deaths. You also keep comparing this with the flu which it isn't. There are clear patterns that occur, hospital admissions start to rise and excess deaths follow. When that happens something has to be done otherwise the admissions will continue to rise and excess deaths will keep increasing, I've shown that time and time again, these are facts. Unfortunately there isn't anything else in the toolkit that will stop that rise in both stats at this point apart from putting restrictions in place, and the extreme version of that is locking down. Once we have a vaccine, and if it works then that should negate the need for restrictions - job done.
And I agree entirely that something needs to be done quickly for the sake of businesses and the country's wider health implications that will inevitably come from having those restrictions in place. But if the only option on the table is removing those restrictions, which as shown will cause an increase in hospitalisations and deaths then it isn't an option.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 11-23-2020
Just checked the 170k extra requests for MH advice and the kids stat and it appears that they may not be as good as detailed btw. The actual figures are "In August 2020, mental health referrals decreased by 10.8% to 302,759 (36,763 fewer referrals) since the previous month but this is still 5% higher than the number of referrals in August 2019"
The problem that keeps recurring Billy is that you repost stats from 'The Statistics Guy Jon" without checking them, this is the 2nd time that he has been shown to, at best, use data that is misleading, and at worst outright lie about stats. There is a 5% increase for referrals between Aug 2019 and Aug 2020. Now, the key is in the wording - is this people ringing the helpline, which it might be (if you can find anything to support that it would be great) or is it referrals (which is more serious) which is what the tweet details ("there were 2,672,044 new referrals to Adult Mental Health Services in England alone") - that 2.6M is also disputed in the thread as well, the actual figure is 905k.
I'd treat that 'Statistics Guy Jon' and his information with a heavy pinch of salt if I were you.
RE: UK Covid death toll - richbaggie - 11-23-2020
(11-23-2020, 02:21 PM)baggy1 Wrote: Just checked the 170k extra requests for MH advice and the kids stat and it appears that they may not be as good as detailed btw. The actual figures are "In August 2020, mental health referrals decreased by 10.8% to 302,759 (36,763 fewer referrals) since the previous month but this is still 5% higher than the number of referrals in August 2019"
The problem that keeps recurring Billy is that you repost stats from 'The Statistics Guy Jon" without checking them, this is the 2nd time that he has been shown to, at best, use data that is misleading, and at worst outright lie about stats. There is a 5% increase for referrals between Aug 2019 and Aug 2020. Now, the key is in the wording - is this people ringing the helpline, which it might be (if you can find anything to support that it would be great) or is it referrals (which is more serious) which is what the tweet details ("there were 2,672,044 new referrals to Adult Mental Health Services in England alone") - that 2.6M is also disputed in the thread as well, the actual figure is 905k.
I'd treat that 'Statistics Guy Jon' and his information with a heavy pinch of salt if I were you.
The majority of people who are suffering badly with their mental health, won't be looking for help through the various support functions available. They suffer in silence.
I only have to look at my own circle of friends, family and at work to see the hugely damaging effect all this is having on the countries mental health.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Derek Hardballs - 11-23-2020
How many of those suffering mental health problems are shielding? How much worse would it have been / will it be for them if everyone else is allowed to go back to normal at their expense? They are suffering just as much, I’d say more than those who haven’t had to. They aren’t expendable because they are inconvenient.
RE: UK Covid death toll - richbaggie - 11-23-2020
https://www.bitchute.com/video/LBeo24BvA5PU/
Is this Billy in disguise? Worth a listen if you have time. It very much supports much of what Billy says on here and its from the mouth of someone with a very strong respiratory pharmacol background.
I genuinely don't know who I believe any more. Vallance and Van Tam or Yeadon and Gupta. All vastly experienced in their fields but seem to be poles apart.
I find myself distrusting Vallance more and more given they are working so closely with the most untrustworthy and corrupt govt in my lifetime.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Protheroe - 11-23-2020
(11-23-2020, 04:13 PM)richbaggie Wrote: I find myself distrusting Vallance more and more given they are working so closely with the most untrustworthy and corrupt govt in my lifetime.
It's entirely healthy to distrust government and government advisors.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 11-23-2020
(11-23-2020, 03:31 PM)richbaggie Wrote:(11-23-2020, 02:21 PM)baggy1 Wrote: Just checked the 170k extra requests for MH advice and the kids stat and it appears that they may not be as good as detailed btw. The actual figures are "In August 2020, mental health referrals decreased by 10.8% to 302,759 (36,763 fewer referrals) since the previous month but this is still 5% higher than the number of referrals in August 2019"
The problem that keeps recurring Billy is that you repost stats from 'The Statistics Guy Jon" without checking them, this is the 2nd time that he has been shown to, at best, use data that is misleading, and at worst outright lie about stats. There is a 5% increase for referrals between Aug 2019 and Aug 2020. Now, the key is in the wording - is this people ringing the helpline, which it might be (if you can find anything to support that it would be great) or is it referrals (which is more serious) which is what the tweet details ("there were 2,672,044 new referrals to Adult Mental Health Services in England alone") - that 2.6M is also disputed in the thread as well, the actual figure is 905k.
I'd treat that 'Statistics Guy Jon' and his information with a heavy pinch of salt if I were you.
The majority of people who are suffering badly with their mental health, won't be looking for help through the various support functions available. They suffer in silence.
I only have to look at my own circle of friends, family and at work to see the hugely damaging effect all this is having on the countries mental health.
Agree entirely Rich and it is a real problem, my point was why apply false data to it when it isn't needed
RE: UK Covid death toll - Brentbaggie - 11-23-2020
(11-23-2020, 04:13 PM)richbaggie Wrote: https://www.bitchute.com/video/LBeo24BvA5PU/
Is this Billy in disguise? Worth a listen if you have time. It very much supports much of what Billy says on here and its from the mouth of someone with a very strong respiratory pharmacol background.
I genuinely don't know who I believe any more. Vallance and Van Tam or Yeadon and Gupta. All vastly experienced in their fields but seem to be poles apart.
I find myself distrusting Vallance more and more given they are working so closely with the most untrustworthy and corrupt govt in my lifetime.
I think you should check out the origin of this. Bitchute is - to put it mildly - a website largely given over to a rabidly mad collection of conspiracy theorists. Of course you could say the same about WBA Unofficial - but hopefully not.
RE: UK Covid death toll - richbaggie - 11-23-2020
(11-23-2020, 04:40 PM)Brentbaggie Wrote:(11-23-2020, 04:13 PM)richbaggie Wrote: https://www.bitchute.com/video/LBeo24BvA5PU/
Is this Billy in disguise? Worth a listen if you have time. It very much supports much of what Billy says on here and its from the mouth of someone with a very strong respiratory pharmacol background.
I genuinely don't know who I believe any more. Vallance and Van Tam or Yeadon and Gupta. All vastly experienced in their fields but seem to be poles apart.
I find myself distrusting Vallance more and more given they are working so closely with the most untrustworthy and corrupt govt in my lifetime.
I think you should check out the origin of this. Bitchute is - to put it mildly - a website largely given over to a rabidly mad collection of conspiracy theorists. Of course you could say the same about WBA Unofficial - but hopefully not.
Yeadon is pretty high up the knowledge chain when it comes to respiratory research and pharmacology. He isn't a tin foil hat type as far as I know. Although appreciate the tim foil brigade will latch onto his words.
RE: UK Covid death toll - billybassett - 11-23-2020
(11-23-2020, 02:21 PM)baggy1 Wrote: Just checked the 170k extra requests for MH advice and the kids stat and it appears that they may not be as good as detailed btw. The actual figures are "In August 2020, mental health referrals decreased by 10.8% to 302,759 (36,763 fewer referrals) since the previous month but this is still 5% higher than the number of referrals in August 2019"
The problem that keeps recurring Billy is that you repost stats from 'The Statistics Guy Jon" without checking them, this is the 2nd time that he has been shown to, at best, use data that is misleading, and at worst outright lie about stats. There is a 5% increase for referrals between Aug 2019 and Aug 2020. Now, the key is in the wording - is this people ringing the helpline, which it might be (if you can find anything to support that it would be great) or is it referrals (which is more serious) which is what the tweet details ("there were 2,672,044 new referrals to Adult Mental Health Services in England alone") - that 2.6M is also disputed in the thread as well, the actual figure is 905k.
I'd treat that 'Statistics Guy Jon' and his information with a heavy pinch of salt if I were you.
I never got it from him. I don't follow him. Try digital NHS UK and their monthly mental health services data.
Your whole mandate is to actually just discredit me rather than actually post any substantial evidence. Shows how poor your argument is. Much like what I've seen from the Danish mask study where an unbelievable amount of effort has gone into discrediting the study but not one person can cite scientific evidence to prove masks work.
But no doubt you'll be happy when the uniformed Covid Youth are asking to check your freedom pass before you see your family and you can show your shiny - and no doubt laminated certificate - to show you're clean.
Honestly.