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RE: Takeover - ColliersWoodBaggie - 01-02-2024
I can't see any major outgoings at all. No potential investor would want that.
RE: Takeover - Bob Fossil - 01-02-2024
(01-02-2024, 12:32 PM)ColliersWoodBaggie Wrote: I can't see any major outgoings at all. No potential investor would want that.
Well the window's open now, so we shall finally see if the doom mongers were right or not.
RE: Takeover - NewWanker - 01-02-2024
(01-02-2024, 11:59 AM)ColliersWoodBaggie Wrote:(01-02-2024, 11:53 AM)NewWanker Wrote:Teeside much closer to Leeds. Also not football country. Leeds are a city club , like Newcastle are.(01-02-2024, 10:07 AM)Bob Fossil Wrote:(01-02-2024, 09:49 AM)Brentbaggie Wrote:(01-02-2024, 09:40 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: If owners want to price out local working class people then it’s an option. Why they’d want to make it cost prohibitive for local people with very little real gain in finance is a question I would ask.
Sunderland's average home gate is 42000, the highest in the division, Middlesbro' over 27000. It doesn't seem to put them off or are their fans simply more committed?
30 miles between the two. Massive catchment areas for both compared to us. Even if you factor in Newcastle, which is still 15 miles from Sunderland, it's nothing compared to us, Villa, Blues and Wolves all within 20 mile.
Tyneside population is around 750,000....between 3 clubs... so 250k each
W Mids 2.9m between 6 clubs (inc. Cov) - 450k + each...
Bigger difference is the distance to other overlapping club areas... Not much near Tyneside/Teeside (until you get to Leeds 90ish mins away (from Tyneside)). W Mids isn't that far from London / Manc / Liverpool or even Leeds (around 90 - 120mins away).
It's not always the raw numbers in population for the catchment, you see far fewer 'foreign' (Man C / Arse / Pool / Chelsea) shirts around tynesdie than you do in the W Mids. It's a lot more tribal up there, probably like it used to be for us 30 - 40 years ago.
Re Midlands, the M5 and Solihull-Leamington-Banbury corridors are untapped potential and Albion have a fair number of fans this way. The West Midlands is the largest conurbation behind London (3m) with around another 9m living within an hour or so away. It's about marketing and improving growth.
(road timings depend on your starting point, Newcastle centre to Leeds centre is around 2 hours, which is similar to Brum to Leeds.)The general gist of my point still stands, NE is split between 3 main clubs, and mostly split between 2, Boro is kind of scrap taking neighbour.
The tribalism I mentioned is why they get the crowds and returning fans. You rarely see anyone up there, from there, that doesn't support Newcastle or Sunderland (I've yet to meet any Smoggies!). Birmingham centre is as likely to see Man U / C, Chelsea / Arsenal etc... shirts than any of the local teams.
Realistically we're only ever going to grow our attendances by 1 or 2k regularly and that's not from marketing, it's from promotion / success. Which, if achieved, largely makes most of the problems go away.
It would probably surprise most to know that the last 20ish years (Covid excepted) have been our longest run of highest consistent average attendances in our history.
Late 60s / early 70s saw higher, but for shorter. 1946 through to mid 50s was the highest overall attendances... But since 2001 our average has stayed over 20k, mostly over 23k. We recorded more sell outs in the last 20 years than any other period in our history... So marketing isn't the issue. Ground size is
We were in the Prem for a lot of those seasons and that bumped the attendances, success is more important than marketing, it's simple. Also, the bigger the opposition the more (typically) fans they bring, which helps boost your averages.
Would we get more with a bigger ground? Yay, new Year, old argument time!
got my data from here: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/west-bromwich-albion/besucherzahlenentwicklung/verein/984
So cannot guarantee it's validity, looked fairly good though.
RE: Takeover - Fulham Fallout - 01-02-2024
(01-02-2024, 12:32 PM)ColliersWoodBaggie Wrote: I can't see any major outgoings at all. No potential investor would want that.
We can't carry on with our level of income and expenditure. Hence the need for the MSD loans and selling O'Shea for less than the the value in his contract.
RE: Takeover - Pragmatist - 01-02-2024
(01-02-2024, 12:32 PM)ColliersWoodBaggie Wrote: I can't see any major outgoings at all. No potential investor would want that.
Unless it’s a business-savvy owner who realises that it’s commercial madness to operate in the Championship at such a high annual loss
RE: Takeover - Babel - 01-02-2024
Bill Ditt and they will attend, etc.
RE: Takeover - CaptainFantastico - 01-02-2024
(01-02-2024, 01:06 PM)Pragmatist Wrote:(01-02-2024, 12:32 PM)ColliersWoodBaggie Wrote: I can't see any major outgoings at all. No potential investor would want that.
Unless it’s a business-savvy owner who realises that it’s commercial madness to operate in the Championship at such a high annual loss
There are no major outgoings planned and 2 coming in on loan
RE: Takeover - Malcolm Tucker - 01-02-2024
(01-02-2024, 02:09 PM)CaptainFantastico Wrote:(01-02-2024, 01:06 PM)Pragmatist Wrote:(01-02-2024, 12:32 PM)ColliersWoodBaggie Wrote: I can't see any major outgoings at all. No potential investor would want that.
Unless it’s a business-savvy owner who realises that it’s commercial madness to operate in the Championship at such a high annual loss
There are no major outgoings planned and 2 coming in on loan
50 point deduction it is then!
RE: Takeover - Sliced - 01-02-2024
If that is the case then Bruce has to go down as the worst appointment in the clubs history. 2 seasons out the window
RE: Takeover - Tom Joad - 01-02-2024
I can't be bothered with quoting paragraphs from numerous posts but basically agree with Derek H and Bob Fossil.
Increasing season ticket prices will not raise any kind of regular increases in income. The area is on it's backside in terms of income. It in no way has the same demographic as the areas compared whose clubs enjoy single club/city status with numerous towns nearby without football clubs and probably much less immigration of people that have no allegiance or family history relating to the local clubs.
On the point of average attendance. Of course it is lower than in the past, we can't boost it with the odd 38-40,000. As a town club we have rarely had the huge attendances of our local rivals but conversely, we seem to have a loyal crowd. when in the same (lower) league position as Wolves and Blues our gates compare very well.
I think the club have it right on pricing, it is just about everything else that they have wrong!