(02-11-2026, 10:27 AM)baggy1 Wrote: He appears to think that I'm not working class for one. I've worked since i was 10 if you include paper rounds, nearly 50 years later I'm earning and paying taxes without complaint. As I get more money the country gets a higher proportion than i do of the extra income - no complaints. I've worked hard and slogged away when I could have had it much better under a Tory tax break world. When I get lectured by fools with no answers on what is working it tends to feel personal, so when you've worked as hard and paid as many taxes as me come back and tell me I'm not working class.

It's easy to protest. After years of bullshit leadership with a side of jazz hands, dickheads are now complaining that we haven't got someone you could have a pint with. We need boring, we need steady, we need to find a way through the mess that the country is in. You'll learn one day, keep up the protest as it will make you feel better, but protest without knowing what you want is just shouting into the void. When you get old enough to see that life is a slog and there are no easy answers then you will realise that applies to everything. Hard work = working class.

(02-11-2026, 10:06 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:

(02-11-2026, 10:01 AM)baggy1 Wrote:

(02-11-2026, 09:39 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:

(02-10-2026, 07:39 PM)strawman Wrote:

Absolutely nails Starmer and Labour and all the Centrist Dad’s that are really Tories but can’t quite admit it to themselves, so defend the direction that the Labour Party have taken. Well done to Pie for being as objective in his criticism of this government as he was the previous ones, something our Blue Labour apologists might want to take onboard.

Very easy to be the party of protest - If you are now discounting this and Blair’s Labour as centrist Dads give your head a wobble. The Labour you want is pointless without any time in actual power.

It’s not 1997… 

What did you disagree with Pie about in the video?

(02-11-2026, 10:42 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:

(02-11-2026, 10:27 AM)baggy1 Wrote: He appears to think that I'm not working class for one. I've worked since i was 10 if you include paper rounds, nearly 50 years later I'm earning and paying taxes without complaint. As I get more money the country gets a higher proportion than i do of the extra income - no complaints. I've worked hard and slogged away when I could have had it much better under a Tory tax break world. When I get lectured by fools with no answers on what is working it tends to feel personal, so when you've worked as hard and paid as many taxes as me come back and tell me I'm not working class.

It's easy to protest. After years of bullshit leadership with a side of jazz hands, dickheads are now complaining that we haven't got someone you could have a pint with. We need boring, we need steady, we need to find a way through the mess that the country is in. You'll learn one day, keep up the protest as it will make you feel better, but protest without knowing what you want is just shouting into the void. When you get old enough to see that life is a slog and there are no easy answers then you will realise that applies to everything. Hard work = working class.

So out of all of the video you got a bit miffed about Pie not agreeing with your definition of working class, and you ignored the rest to have a regular ‘you haven’t worked as hard as me’ pop at me, despite not knowing me or me knowing you. 

(02-11-2026, 10:51 AM)Shabby Russian Wrote:

(02-11-2026, 10:06 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:

(02-11-2026, 10:01 AM)baggy1 Wrote:

(02-11-2026, 09:39 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:

(02-10-2026, 07:39 PM)strawman Wrote:

Absolutely nails Starmer and Labour and all the Centrist Dad’s that are really Tories but can’t quite admit it to themselves, so defend the direction that the Labour Party have taken. Well done to Pie for being as objective in his criticism of this government as he was the previous ones, something our Blue Labour apologists might want to take onboard.

Very easy to be the party of protest - If you are now discounting this and Blair’s Labour as centrist Dads give your head a wobble. The Labour you want is pointless without any time in actual power.

It’s not 1997… 

What did you disagree with Pie about in the video?

You do know that Pie is a comedy construct and not a real person.

I have no time for Starmer or this current iteration of the Labour Party,  but this isn't a time for him to resign or be forced from office.

The electoral system we use gave Labour a huge parliamentary majority at the last GE, less than 2 years ago. I think we won be better off as a country if we had a period of political stability and allowed the elected govt to get on with governing. They may prove to be very bad at it, and you would have to say that they haven't got off to a great start, but the idea that things would noticeably improve within 2 years was naive in the extreme.

And I'm not sure this is a resigning issue. Appointing Mandelson as Ambassa
Ambassador was a big mistake, not just because of his friendship with Epstein.But it's not a reason for Starmer to go.

(02-11-2026, 11:04 AM)baggy1 Wrote:

(02-11-2026, 10:42 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:

(02-11-2026, 10:27 AM)baggy1 Wrote: He appears to think that I'm not working class for one. I've worked since i was 10 if you include paper rounds, nearly 50 years later I'm earning and paying taxes without complaint. As I get more money the country gets a higher proportion than i do of the extra income - no complaints. I've worked hard and slogged away when I could have had it much better under a Tory tax break world. When I get lectured by fools with no answers on what is working it tends to feel personal, so when you've worked as hard and paid as many taxes as me come back and tell me I'm not working class.

It's easy to protest. After years of bullshit leadership with a side of jazz hands, dickheads are now complaining that we haven't got someone you could have a pint with. We need boring, we need steady, we need to find a way through the mess that the country is in. You'll learn one day, keep up the protest as it will make you feel better, but protest without knowing what you want is just shouting into the void. When you get old enough to see that life is a slog and there are no easy answers then you will realise that applies to everything. Hard work = working class.

So out of all of the video you got a bit miffed about Pie not agreeing with your definition of working class, and you ignored the rest to have a regular ‘you haven’t worked as hard as me’ pop at me, despite not knowing me or me knowing you. 

You should read Shabs response and then take stock. You come across as entitled and wanting something without knowing what that is, i'm old enough to recognise that as naivity. You can take that as a pop or someone just telling you to wind your neck in as you clearly have a very limited experience and view on life.

(02-11-2026, 11:25 AM)baggy1 Wrote: Arf, come up with any solutions or even suggestions for solutions and we'll take you seriously. 'Don't like'

(02-11-2026, 11:35 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:

(02-11-2026, 11:25 AM)baggy1 Wrote: Arf, come up with any solutions or even suggestions for solutions and we'll take you seriously. 'Don't like'

What solutions have you come up with? All you do is slavishly agree with the Labour Party or make excuses for them whilst criticising the previous government. You offered no ‘solutions’ to problems when the Tories came into power, you simply criticised them. The double standards are remarkable.

List all those solutions you, not the Labour Party or others have come up with… or ‘wind your neck in’