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RE: Student Loans - tHEgLASSdOORS - 02-10-2026
(02-10-2026, 03:04 PM)Protheroe Wrote: The reality is that the vast majority of careers don't need a degree education.
Labour extended university education simply to make sure kids stayed off the unemployment register. There's nowhere near enough demand for the number of law graduates each year let alone the thousands of psychology, criminology or "business studies" graduates, It's misselling of the highest order.
I agree with that but it neglects the many things they do gain from the change of environment and transition to adulthood. I’d sooner we revolutionised course content than aspired to curb the numbers who go to Uni
RE: Student Loans - baggy1 - 02-10-2026
Proth has a point thought. I've got two kids, one went to Uni and one did an apprenticeship - both are now in equally well paying jobs and had different learning methods. Uni would never have suited my daughter as she is too much like me and would have seen it as an almighty piss up.
RE: Student Loans - man in the corner shop - 02-10-2026
Also there's quite a few that articulate that studying for the sake of it has an intrinsic value in itself. Particularly Arts degrees.
RE: Student Loans - tHEgLASSdOORS - 02-10-2026
He does have a point. Like many things it’s been left in 15 years of stagnant (or worse) malaise and unsurprisingly like a lot of other things it will take a fucking long time to fix.
RE: Student Loans - Protheroe - 02-10-2026
(02-10-2026, 03:16 PM)tHEgLASSdOORS Wrote: He does have a point. Like many things it’s been left in 15 years of stagnant (or worse) malaise and unsurprisingly like a lot of other things it will take a fucking long time to fix.
I have been making the same point for more than 15 years, rather like another point which I won't mention again....
(02-10-2026, 03:09 PM)tHEgLASSdOORS Wrote: I agree with that but it neglects the many things they do gain from the change of environment and transition to adulthood. I’d sooner we revolutionised course content than aspired to curb the numbers who go to Uni
Why should the state be on the hook for coming of age?
RE: Student Loans - tHEgLASSdOORS - 02-10-2026
(02-10-2026, 03:34 PM)Protheroe Wrote:(02-10-2026, 03:16 PM)tHEgLASSdOORS Wrote: He does have a point. Like many things it’s been left in 15 years of stagnant (or worse) malaise and unsurprisingly like a lot of other things it will take a fucking long time to fix.
I have been making the same point for more than 15 years, rather like another point which I won't mention again....
(02-10-2026, 03:09 PM)tHEgLASSdOORS Wrote: I agree with that but it neglects the many things they do gain from the change of environment and transition to adulthood. I’d sooner we revolutionised course content than aspired to curb the numbers who go to Uni
Why should the state be on the hook for coming of age?
Because the skills and experiences that get developed form part of the success of the future workforce. Just because you can’t plot it on a chart or graph doesn’t mean it isn’t true. However, the return on that investment should be being modernised and harnessed much more successfully. The fact that it isn’t isn’t that generations fault. Arguably the fault of door knockers who advocated for the 15 stagnant years, mind…..
RE: Student Loans - Derek Hardballs - 02-10-2026
(02-10-2026, 03:40 PM)tHEgLASSdOORS Wrote:(02-10-2026, 03:34 PM)Protheroe Wrote:(02-10-2026, 03:16 PM)tHEgLASSdOORS Wrote: He does have a point. Like many things it’s been left in 15 years of stagnant (or worse) malaise and unsurprisingly like a lot of other things it will take a fucking long time to fix.
I have been making the same point for more than 15 years, rather like another point which I won't mention again....
(02-10-2026, 03:09 PM)tHEgLASSdOORS Wrote: I agree with that but it neglects the many things they do gain from the change of environment and transition to adulthood. I’d sooner we revolutionised course content than aspired to curb the numbers who go to Uni
Why should the state be on the hook for coming of age?
Because the skills and experiences that get developed form part of the success of the future workforce. Just because you can’t plot it on a chart or graph doesn’t mean it isn’t true. However, the return on that investment should be being modernised and harnessed much more successfully. The fact that it isn’t isn’t that generations fault. Arguably the fault of door knockers who advocated for the 15 stagnant years, mind…..
‘Least stagnant’
RE: Student Loans - tHEgLASSdOORS - 02-10-2026
And bang on cue I get a call from my eldest checking she’s dealt with the house gas leak correctly….
(02-10-2026, 03:41 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:(02-10-2026, 03:40 PM)tHEgLASSdOORS Wrote:(02-10-2026, 03:34 PM)Protheroe Wrote:(02-10-2026, 03:16 PM)tHEgLASSdOORS Wrote: He does have a point. Like many things it’s been left in 15 years of stagnant (or worse) malaise and unsurprisingly like a lot of other things it will take a fucking long time to fix.
I have been making the same point for more than 15 years, rather like another point which I won't mention again....
(02-10-2026, 03:09 PM)tHEgLASSdOORS Wrote: I agree with that but it neglects the many things they do gain from the change of environment and transition to adulthood. I’d sooner we revolutionised course content than aspired to curb the numbers who go to Uni
Why should the state be on the hook for coming of age?
Because the skills and experiences that get developed form part of the success of the future workforce. Just because you can’t plot it on a chart or graph doesn’t mean it isn’t true. However, the return on that investment should be being modernised and harnessed much more successfully. The fact that it isn’t isn’t that generations fault. Arguably the fault of door knockers who advocated for the 15 stagnant years, mind…..
‘Least stagnant’
Have an arf
RE: Student Loans - Protheroe - 02-10-2026
(02-10-2026, 03:40 PM)tHEgLASSdOORS Wrote: Because the skills and experiences that get developed form part of the success of the future workforce. Just because you can’t plot it on a chart or graph doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
If you can't measure it, it ISN'T true. I have this conversation every day with my clients.
Just today I've nodded along whilst my client talked about the "ROI" (several times) on a £500,000 tech investment they're making. When he'd finished I asked what the ROI was in figures and he couldn't tell me. I then questioned why they were making the investment at all. Your premise is exactly the same.
RE: Student Loans - man in the corner shop - 02-10-2026
You'll be on the panel on Dragon's Den soon Proth