(09-11-2025, 06:21 AM)Protheroe Wrote: Any Labour Leader unwilling to address the fundamental problems facing the country was doomed to fail. I did predict on here that Labour would be the most unpopular government in history within 18 months. Constantly shooting yourself in the foot is not helping either.

(09-11-2025, 07:05 AM)Pontificator Wrote:

(09-11-2025, 06:21 AM)Protheroe Wrote: Any Labour Leader unwilling to address the fundamental problems facing the country was doomed to fail. I did predict on here that Labour would be the most unpopular government in history within 18 months. Constantly shooting yourself in the foot is not helping either.

Your view of the fundamental problems have never wavered whatever the government and for however long. The slashing and burning of the Cameron/Osborne government was exactly what you and the classical liberals were advocating at a time when Nobel prize winning economists were suggesting the exact opposite policy. This was the midwife of BREXIT and the economic and social divsion that has literally ravaged the country. You also gave your full throated support to a party that has never taken the responsibility for 14 of the last 15 disastrous years. It practically sent your mentor Steve Baker into nervous breakdown. As far as Mandelson is concerned I do feel some sympathy for him, he wasn't the most well known figure that was completely taken in by Epstein. If you don't undertsand how abusers like Epstein and Saville operate you don't undertsand anything. Don't forget your Maggie was taken in by Saville, should her remains be dug up and thrown in a skip.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/media/article/saviles-affectionate-letters-to-margaret-thatcher-revealed-57fw6v0qdfg

(09-11-2025, 07:50 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:

(09-11-2025, 07:05 AM)Pontificator Wrote:

(09-11-2025, 06:21 AM)Protheroe Wrote: Any Labour Leader unwilling to address the fundamental problems facing the country was doomed to fail. I did predict on here that Labour would be the most unpopular government in history within 18 months. Constantly shooting yourself in the foot is not helping either.

Your view of the fundamental problems have never wavered whatever the government and for however long. The slashing and burning of the Cameron/Osborne government was exactly what you and the classical liberals were advocating at a time when Nobel prize winning economists were suggesting the exact opposite policy. This was the midwife of BREXIT and the economic and social divsion that has literally ravaged the country. You also gave your full throated support to a party that has never taken the responsibility for 14 of the last 15 disastrous years. It practically sent your mentor Steve Baker into nervous breakdown. As far as Mandelson is concerned I do feel some sympathy for him, he wasn't the most well known figure that was completely taken in by Epstein. If you don't undertsand how abusers like Epstein and Saville operate you don't undertsand anything. Don't forget your Maggie was taken in by Saville, should her remains be dug up and thrown in a skip.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/media/article/saviles-affectionate-letters-to-margaret-thatcher-revealed-57fw6v0qdfg

Erm after his arrest he sent a fawning letter to Epstein saying how unjust it was and that he still supported him.

(09-11-2025, 07:05 AM)Pontificator Wrote:

(09-11-2025, 06:21 AM)Protheroe Wrote: Any Labour Leader unwilling to address the fundamental problems facing the country was doomed to fail. I did predict on here that Labour would be the most unpopular government in history within 18 months. Constantly shooting yourself in the foot is not helping either.

Your view of the fundamental problems have never wavered whatever the government and for however long. The slashing and burning of the Cameron/Osborne government was exactly what you and the classical liberals were advocating at a time when Nobel prize winning economists were suggesting the exact opposite policy. This was the midwife of BREXIT and the economic and social divsion that has literally ravaged the country. You also gave your full throated support to a party that has never taken the responsibility for 14 of the last 15 disastrous years. It practically sent your mentor Steve Baker into nervous breakdown. As far as Mandelson is concerned I do feel some sympathy for him, he wasn't the most well known figure that was completely taken in by Epstein. If you don't undertsand how abusers like Epstein and Saville operate you don't undertsand anything. Don't forget your Maggie was taken in by Saville, should her remains be dug up and thrown in a skip.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/media/article/saviles-affectionate-letters-to-margaret-thatcher-revealed-57fw6v0qdfg

(09-11-2025, 08:17 AM)tHEgLASSdOORS Wrote: Come on Ponty. Jesus. If he’s that dense that’s reason alone to fuck him off

(09-11-2025, 08:24 AM)Borin' Baggie Wrote: So the defence of Mandelson is that he's an idiot. In which case why is an idiot who can be easily be compromised by being too close to people who shouldn't be trusted an ambassador?

(09-11-2025, 08:25 AM)baggy1 Wrote:

(09-11-2025, 08:17 AM)tHEgLASSdOORS Wrote: Come on Ponty. Jesus. If he’s that dense that’s reason alone to fuck him off

There's no doubt that he will be gone sooner than later now, but you misunderstand the nature of these people and paint this as black and white. There will be many more that will have been taken in by him and not all of them will be part of the child sacrifice lizard illuminati that are running the world.

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(09-11-2025, 08:24 AM)Borin' Baggie Wrote: So the defence of Mandelson is that he's an idiot. In which case why is an idiot who can be easily be compromised by being too close to people who shouldn't be trusted an ambassador?

Have you seen our politicians over the last few years. Boris was caught hungover in an airport on his way back from meeting a known russian spy - he still became the highest politician in the land.