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RE: UK Covid death toll - Protheroe - 05-10-2022
Surely one of the Lockdown fetishists has got a comment to make on this? Or has it all gone quiet over there?
And there. And there.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 05-10-2022
Bear with me on this Proth, I saw it last week and was going to comment, however in short if you really think that lockdowns weren’t required when infection and deaths were rampant then you are deluded. And it’s probably worth mentioning that we haven’t had a full lockdown for quite a while now.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Protheroe - 05-10-2022
I won't take offence from your accusation of delusion as from the report I gather that the outcomes from the various levels of Lockdowns globally are substantially more nuanced than that. In hindsight the principles behind Lockdowns were reasonable given the information the government had to hand, but I'm still very jaundiced about the effects on education - particularly as 100,000 kids who went missing from school rolls are yet to return.
Clearly the Lockdown fetishists who spent much of the last two years calling for ever more draconian restrictions (Dekka & Starmer for instance) would have seen a negligible benefit, but in all likelihood far greater costs.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Fido - 05-10-2022
(05-10-2022, 12:09 PM)Protheroe Wrote: I won't take offence from your accusation of delusion as from the report I gather that the outcomes from the various levels of Lockdowns globally are substantially more nuanced than that. In hindsight the principles behind Lockdowns were reasonable given the information the government had to hand, but I'm still very jaundiced about the effects on education - particularly as 100,000 kids who went missing from school rolls are yet to return.
Clearly the Lockdown fetishists who spent much of the last two years calling for ever more draconian restrictions (Dekka & Starmer for instance) would have seen a negligible benefit, but in all likelihood far greater costs.
No-one has yet let Dekka out of his iron lung, unsurprisingly.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 05-10-2022
Didn't know about the 100k figure, that sound serious I'll take a look at that as well. Harsh to lump Starmer in as a lockdown fetishist, he called the right times for the lockdowns IMO and the rise in numbers tied in with there not being action at the time he called for it justified the calls IIRC. I'd also have kept the final restrictions in place until easter instead of releasing them quickly, but we can't say we've had a 'lockdowns' in the truest sense for over 12 months.
As you say it's very nuanced and with correct measures put in place in schools kids could have returned a lot earlier, but that would have involved a plan at DoE level which would also have involved Gavin Williamson having a brain so never likely really.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Protheroe - 05-10-2022
We will always agree about Gavin Williamson.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Derek Hardballs - 05-10-2022
Some of the most vulnerable children in the U.K. under 11 hadn’t been afforded the opportunity to be vaccinated until Feb / March this year and their health was and is every bit as important as other peoples. I appreciate we have ard men like Proth and Fido (weren’t that hard before they had the vaccine I imagine) think that it’s funny to take the piss out of others who had genuine reasons for being worried about easing restrictions, when we did and just to save Johnson and appease rabid libertarians in the Tory party at the time that all restrictions were lifted.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Protheroe - 05-10-2022
That is no reason, and never was a reason for restrictions on us all. You may think that unfair, but there it is.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Derek Hardballs - 05-10-2022
(05-10-2022, 06:53 PM)Protheroe Wrote: That is no reason, and never was a reason for restrictions on us all. You may think that unfair, but there it is.
No that’s your opinion, from someone who had a hissy fit about wearing a mask to help reduce the spread of the virus. Proclaiming how worried he was about vulnerable children but I assume he meant other types of vulnerable children not ones who were at risk from the virus or couldn’t afford meals during the summer. Because he’s shown that he doesn’t really care about them over the past two years.
I’d have more respect for your opinion Proth if you said you had refused the vaccine at least it wouldn’t make your opinion hypocritical.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Protheroe - 05-10-2022
More warped logic. You’re an odd one.