(02-10-2022, 10:42 AM)Protheroe Wrote:

(02-10-2022, 09:07 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: This has nothing to do with common sense it’s a politically motivated decision by a Prime Minister who is more concerned with doing the bidding of right wingers on his back benches, abs why because whilst others tried to keep others safe, he allowed his own office and potentially home to be party central. Utterly contemptible given his position.

I'm afraid your visceral and slightly unhinged hatred of Boris Johnson is blinding you to the fact that tens of millions of people want to get back to normal, not a few right wingers on the Tory back benches. If Boris was interested in the slightest in appeasing the right of the Tory Party he wouldn't be embarking on the expansion of the state and increasing taxes to their highest level since the 1950s.

(02-10-2022, 10:55 AM)Ted Maul Wrote:

(02-10-2022, 10:42 AM)Protheroe Wrote:

(02-10-2022, 09:07 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: This has nothing to do with common sense it’s a politically motivated decision by a Prime Minister who is more concerned with doing the bidding of right wingers on his back benches, abs why because whilst others tried to keep others safe, he allowed his own office and potentially home to be party central. Utterly contemptible given his position.

I'm afraid your visceral and slightly unhinged hatred of Boris Johnson is blinding you to the fact that tens of millions of people want to get back to normal, not a few right wingers on the Tory back benches. If Boris was interested in the slightest in appeasing the right of the Tory Party he wouldn't be embarking on the expansion of the state and increasing taxes to their highest level since the 1950s.

Life is basically normal and has been since July?

(02-10-2022, 09:51 AM)baggy1 Wrote:

(02-10-2022, 09:09 AM)Ted Maul Wrote:

(02-10-2022, 09:07 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: This has nothing to do with common sense it’s a politically motivated decision by a Prime Minister who is more concerned with doing the budding of right winger on his back benches.

Well, quite. If you're lucky enough to have been eligible for a vaccine and are no longer required to shield you have been able to live a pretty normal life since last summer. Isolating when you're ill, with whatever illness shouldn't be law, it should just be the norm. I can't believe people don't do this anyway.

This exactly - we'll never get back to normal if we don't apply that approach. The days of people 'soldiering on' and coughing and spluttering in the office (and school) should be gone, and until people realise that then we will never get back to normal. I can see, before too long, someone taking a company to court for corporate manslaughter after their relation has caught covid at the office because they were mandated to attend.

It should also be noted that within the next few days we should drop below 10k in hospital in England for the 1st time since last July. It's also interesting to note that the fall in hospitalisations this year is not as steep as it was last year, the fall from c.15k to 10k in 2021 took 12 days, this year that same fall has taken 19 days so far with another 5 or 6 I'm guessing to get to 10k. That indicates that although the symptoms might be milder it is either keeping people in for longer or there are more people being hospitalised and released with a quicker turnaround.

As an aside my mother in law was admitted to Heartlands last night, she has COPD and had an exacerbation which required an ambulance and admission. She was scared and anxious but none of her 3 kids (all adults in their 40s and 50s) were allowed into A&E with her, and trying to get any information is next to impossible. She's on a cardio ward now but again no visitors allowed. This is another knock on from a chronic mistreatment of the NHS over the past decade and more which has left it completely unprepared for these past 2 years.

(02-10-2022, 11:18 AM)Protheroe Wrote: Your definition of normal and mine are clearly at odds.

(02-10-2022, 11:48 AM)Ted Maul Wrote:

(02-10-2022, 11:18 AM)Protheroe Wrote: Your definition of normal and mine are clearly at odds.

Since July we've been able to do as we please with the caveat of wearing a mask in crowded public spaces and not going out so much if you've got a really infectious illness.

Are you really into breathing on people or something, I fail to see how these still constitute restrictions really.

(02-10-2022, 11:48 AM)Ted Maul Wrote:

(02-10-2022, 11:18 AM)Protheroe Wrote: Your definition of normal and mine are clearly at odds.

Since July we've been able to do as we please with the caveat of wearing a mask in crowded public spaces and not going out so much if you've got a really infectious illness.

Are you really into breathing on people or something, I fail to see how these still constitute restrictions really.

(02-10-2022, 02:17 PM)Protheroe Wrote: Like I said, your definition of normal and mine are clearly at odds.

If the only restriction you experience is the occasional wearing of a mask then I'm very happy for you.

(02-10-2022, 06:10 PM)Protheroe Wrote: Normal, is not all of my clients being ordered by the state to work from home again recently. Normal, is not the state having that power.

Normal, is not insisting a child isolates even if they have no symptoms whatsoever for what has morphed into, essentially - a cold.

Normal, is not my team being banned from supplier premises when they need to carry out compliance checks.

(02-10-2022, 11:31 AM)Kit Kat Chunky Wrote: Sorry to hear about your MIL, mate. I hope she is better soon.

(02-10-2022, 06:10 PM)Protheroe Wrote: Normal, is not all of my clients being ordered by the state to work from home again recently. Normal, is not the state having that power.