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RE: UK Covid death toll - Kit Kat Chunky - 12-31-2021
(12-30-2021, 09:47 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:You can always nip back over the border to the land of the sane for a pint as well.(12-30-2021, 09:23 PM)Kit Kat Chunky Wrote:(12-30-2021, 08:20 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:Because they will both politicise the situation and use it for gain.(12-30-2021, 08:01 PM)Kit Kat Chunky Wrote:(12-30-2021, 07:59 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: Or a better question would be…Nor is it our fault that the loony left are milking it in the devolved nations.
why tell everyone to get a LFT when you haven’t got enough of them and have put only the very basic of preventative measures in place to slow / reduce the infection rate a few dats before New Years Eve?
It’s not Wales government fault that we have a circus in charge.
Why are you blaming the Welsh Government and the ‘loony left’ for England not having enough LFT’s?
Giving the devolved nations so much power was a stupid mistake. We are one nation and should be governed by one set of rules, voted for by the whole nation.
I’d happily live in Wales under a government that seems to recognise and put public health first.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 12-31-2021
Final regional update for the year and hospitalisations have gone through the roof everywhere. The North East and the North West have both seen a 93% growth (almost double to 1,644 and 1942), South West 44% growth to 699, South East 55% growth to 1269, Midlands 67% to 2122, London still going up with 61% to 3636, and the East of England up 61% to 1083.
This is not just London anymore, as there are nearly 12.5k in hospital across the country with 3.6k in London. For context we are 10k below this time last year and the good news is that we are heading into a quiet period for socialising.
Happy New Year folks and start safe.
RE: UK Covid death toll - richbaggie - 12-31-2021
Be interesting to know what comparable numbers were pre covid in December 2019. There were loads of articles around this time 2 years ago about nhs being at breaking point due to numbers of folks in hospital which was being made worse by winter flu.
That's not me suggesting there isn't a problem, there clearly is. But, given that there's now a lot of peer reviewed data now out saying omicron is 50 to 70% less severe and the MV data remains flat to support this, its about time focus was put on getting our NHS in a much better state of health than it is.
RE: UK Covid death toll - EastMidsBaggie - 12-31-2021
richbaggie Wrote:Be interesting to know what comparable numbers were pre covid in December 2019. There were loads of articles around this time 2 years ago about nhs being at breaking point due to numbers of folks in hospital which was being made worse by winter flu.
That's not me suggesting there isn't a problem, there clearly is. But, given that there's now a lot of peer reviewed data now out saying omicron is 50 to 70% less severe and the MV data remains flat to support this, its about time focus was put on getting our NHS in a much better state of health than it is.
Unfortunately, the NHS had been run down for the last 9/10 years prior to Covid and now Covid waves and Brexit has hammered it for the last two so it really will take monumental efforts and cash to bring back to where it was around 2009 (along with the ever problematical social welfare system).
Much of the impact of the original wave could have been mitigated if we had funded robust pandemic procedures and processes in place but we never seem to play 'long term' politics in this country.
Add in a lack of any leadership and clarity throughout these wretched few years and you get the poor outcomes we have all experienced physically and, never underestimate, mentally.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Kit Kat Chunky - 12-31-2021
(12-31-2021, 05:39 PM)richbaggie Wrote: Be interesting to know what comparable numbers were pre covid in December 2019. There were loads of articles around this time 2 years ago about nhs being at breaking point due to numbers of folks in hospital which was being made worse by winter flu.
That's not me suggesting there isn't a problem, there clearly is. But, given that there's now a lot of peer reviewed data now out saying omicron is 50 to 70% less severe and the MV data remains flat to support this, its about time focus was put on getting our NHS in a much better state of health than it is.
I agree Rich. The NHS is on its knees, has been for years. It's as much do with mis-management as it is to do with underfunding, in my opinion.
The narrative has changed. We are no longer being told that Covid is a threat to humanity. This is now all about managing the NHS through the next few months.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Derek Hardballs - 01-02-2022
What is the logic of this light touch strategy? When we are planning for nearly a quarter of staff to be off sick / isolating due to Covid? How is that managing the pandemic? It’s more like gambling it’ll be ok. Is this a public health policy or a keep Boris in power policy?
Worst case scenario
RE: UK Covid death toll - EastMidsBaggie - 01-02-2022
(01-02-2022, 09:23 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: What is the logic of this light touch strategy? When we are planning for nearly a quarter of staff to be off sick / isolating due to Covid? How is that managing the pandemic? It’s more like gambling it’ll be ok. Is this a public health policy or a keep Boris in power policy?
Worst case scenario
Utter madness and we are heading for chaos on Tuesday when most get back to work.
Wife’s already had train services cancelled !
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggiebuckster - 01-02-2022
(01-02-2022, 09:23 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: What is the logic of this light touch strategy? When we are planning for nearly a quarter of staff to be off sick / isolating due to Covid? How is that managing the pandemic? It’s more like gambling it’ll be ok. Is this a public health policy or a keep Boris in power policy?
Worst case scenario
What should we do instead? Lockdown?
RE: UK Covid death toll - Derek Hardballs - 01-02-2022
(01-02-2022, 10:41 AM)baggiebuckster Wrote:(01-02-2022, 09:23 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: What is the logic of this light touch strategy? When we are planning for nearly a quarter of staff to be off sick / isolating due to Covid? How is that managing the pandemic? It’s more like gambling it’ll be ok. Is this a public health policy or a keep Boris in power policy?
Worst case scenario
What should we do instead? Lockdown?
Yes, because the choice is as binary as pretty much no restrictions or lockdown! Time will tell if Wales or Scotland do better over the next couple of months. I suspect they will.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggiebuckster - 01-02-2022
So what restrictions would you impose?