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RE: It's The Ashes (again) - Pragmatist - 06-18-2023
(06-18-2023, 09:35 AM)SuperBob2002 Wrote:(06-18-2023, 07:21 AM)Ted Maul Wrote: Ben Foakes will be sat at home watching Jonny Bairstow keep wicket wondering what the hell he has to do to keep a spot in the team.
Crawley out, Bairstow to open with Duckett and Foakes back asap please.
Bairstow did take a wonderful catch for Broad's second wicket, and has kept well for 90% of the innings so far. But that missed stumping and a couple of dropped catches have cost us dearly.
Can he open the batting? I believe he's done so in ODI's, but it's a different game.
I think you have to select a specialist wicket keeper. They're vital and get you wickets when you need them most.
I agree re a specialist keeper - provided that they are good enough to bat as high as 7, which Foakes obviously is. A great keeper who is not good enough to bat that high is too much of a luxury.
In Bazball yes Bairstow could open. Not a traditional Test opener technically, but England aren’t playing traditional Test cricket!
RE: It's The Ashes (again) - SuperBob2002 - 06-18-2023
(06-18-2023, 09:39 AM)Pragmatist Wrote:(06-18-2023, 09:35 AM)SuperBob2002 Wrote:(06-18-2023, 07:21 AM)Ted Maul Wrote: Ben Foakes will be sat at home watching Jonny Bairstow keep wicket wondering what the hell he has to do to keep a spot in the team.
Crawley out, Bairstow to open with Duckett and Foakes back asap please.
Bairstow did take a wonderful catch for Broad's second wicket, and has kept well for 90% of the innings so far. But that missed stumping and a couple of dropped catches have cost us dearly.
Can he open the batting? I believe he's done so in ODI's, but it's a different game.
I think you have to select a specialist wicket keeper. They're vital and get you wickets when you need them most.
I agree re a specialist keeper - provided that they are good enough to bat as high as 7, which Foakes obviously is. A great keeper who is not good enough to bat that high is too much of a luxury.
In Bazball yes Bairstow could open. Not a traditional Test opener technically, but England aren’t playing traditional Test cricket!
He's certainly a better option opening than Crawley is, even taking account of his first innings knock.
I know it doesn't fit with the ultra attacking intent of England, but I'm a fan of having an attacking opener alongside a rock, Sibley for example. Someone who can stick around and be the core of an innings. There's nothing wrong with scoring .500 or lower and batting time.
RE: It's The Ashes (again) - Pragmatist - 06-18-2023
(06-18-2023, 09:57 AM)SuperBob2002 Wrote:(06-18-2023, 09:39 AM)Pragmatist Wrote:(06-18-2023, 09:35 AM)SuperBob2002 Wrote:(06-18-2023, 07:21 AM)Ted Maul Wrote: Ben Foakes will be sat at home watching Jonny Bairstow keep wicket wondering what the hell he has to do to keep a spot in the team.
Crawley out, Bairstow to open with Duckett and Foakes back asap please.
Bairstow did take a wonderful catch for Broad's second wicket, and has kept well for 90% of the innings so far. But that missed stumping and a couple of dropped catches have cost us dearly.
Can he open the batting? I believe he's done so in ODI's, but it's a different game.
I think you have to select a specialist wicket keeper. They're vital and get you wickets when you need them most.
I agree re a specialist keeper - provided that they are good enough to bat as high as 7, which Foakes obviously is. A great keeper who is not good enough to bat that high is too much of a luxury.
In Bazball yes Bairstow could open. Not a traditional Test opener technically, but England aren’t playing traditional Test cricket!
He's certainly a better option opening than Crawley is, even taking account of his first innings knock.
I know it doesn't fit with the ultra attacking intent of England, but I'm a fan of having an attacking opener alongside a rock, Sibley for example. Someone who can stick around and be the core of an innings. There's nothing wrong with scoring .500 or lower and batting time.
I disagree. That would totally derail the way this England play. Root at 4 and (hopefully) Foakes at 7 provide that ballast.
RE: It's The Ashes (again) - strawman - 06-18-2023
Bairstow a liability as keeper
RE: It's The Ashes (again) - SuperBob2002 - 06-18-2023
(06-18-2023, 10:03 AM)Pragmatist Wrote:(06-18-2023, 09:57 AM)SuperBob2002 Wrote:(06-18-2023, 09:39 AM)Pragmatist Wrote:(06-18-2023, 09:35 AM)SuperBob2002 Wrote:(06-18-2023, 07:21 AM)Ted Maul Wrote: Ben Foakes will be sat at home watching Jonny Bairstow keep wicket wondering what the hell he has to do to keep a spot in the team.
Crawley out, Bairstow to open with Duckett and Foakes back asap please.
Bairstow did take a wonderful catch for Broad's second wicket, and has kept well for 90% of the innings so far. But that missed stumping and a couple of dropped catches have cost us dearly.
Can he open the batting? I believe he's done so in ODI's, but it's a different game.
I think you have to select a specialist wicket keeper. They're vital and get you wickets when you need them most.
I agree re a specialist keeper - provided that they are good enough to bat as high as 7, which Foakes obviously is. A great keeper who is not good enough to bat that high is too much of a luxury.
In Bazball yes Bairstow could open. Not a traditional Test opener technically, but England aren’t playing traditional Test cricket!
He's certainly a better option opening than Crawley is, even taking account of his first innings knock.
I know it doesn't fit with the ultra attacking intent of England, but I'm a fan of having an attacking opener alongside a rock, Sibley for example. Someone who can stick around and be the core of an innings. There's nothing wrong with scoring .500 or lower and batting time.
I disagree. That would totally derail the way this England play. Root at 4 and (hopefully) Foakes at 7 provide that ballast.
I understand that, it's just a preference if how I'd like to see a Test XI assembled.
(06-18-2023, 10:05 AM)strawman Wrote: Bairstow a liability as keeper
Because he's not a natural wicket keeper. He's a batsman who can keep a little bit. He's good for what he is, but you need a specialist. It's a bit like going into a Test with Root as your frontline spin option. He's decent and does a job, but he's not a game changer of a bowler.
RE: It's The Ashes (again) - Pragmatist - 06-18-2023
(06-18-2023, 10:11 AM)SuperBob2002 Wrote:(06-18-2023, 10:03 AM)Pragmatist Wrote:(06-18-2023, 09:57 AM)SuperBob2002 Wrote:(06-18-2023, 09:39 AM)Pragmatist Wrote:(06-18-2023, 09:35 AM)SuperBob2002 Wrote: Bairstow did take a wonderful catch for Broad's second wicket, and has kept well for 90% of the innings so far. But that missed stumping and a couple of dropped catches have cost us dearly.
Can he open the batting? I believe he's done so in ODI's, but it's a different game.
I think you have to select a specialist wicket keeper. They're vital and get you wickets when you need them most.
I agree re a specialist keeper - provided that they are good enough to bat as high as 7, which Foakes obviously is. A great keeper who is not good enough to bat that high is too much of a luxury.
In Bazball yes Bairstow could open. Not a traditional Test opener technically, but England aren’t playing traditional Test cricket!
He's certainly a better option opening than Crawley is, even taking account of his first innings knock.
I know it doesn't fit with the ultra attacking intent of England, but I'm a fan of having an attacking opener alongside a rock, Sibley for example. Someone who can stick around and be the core of an innings. There's nothing wrong with scoring .500 or lower and batting time.
I disagree. That would totally derail the way this England play. Root at 4 and (hopefully) Foakes at 7 provide that ballast.
I understand that, it's just a preference if how I'd like to see a Test XI assembled.
(06-18-2023, 10:05 AM)strawman Wrote: Bairstow a liability as keeper
Because he's not a natural wicket keeper. He's a batsman who can keep a little bit. He's good for what he is, but you need a specialist. It's a bit like going into a Test with Root as your frontline spin option. He's decent and does a job, but he's not a game changer of a bowler.
Spot on, although the difference is that on the keeping front we have many options better than Bairstow while on the spinner front the cupboard is bare!
RE: It's The Ashes (again) - SuperBob2002 - 06-18-2023
I can't imagine how difficult it is to keep wicket with bowlers who can swing the ball around corners and bowling 80plus MPH.
Could we not simply swap Pope for Bairstow in the middle of an innings. Or are Keepers set and can't be changed?
RE: It's The Ashes (again) - Pragmatist - 06-18-2023
(06-18-2023, 10:25 AM)SuperBob2002 Wrote: I can't imagine how difficult it is to keep wicket with bowlers who can swing the ball around corners and bowling 80plus MPH.
Could we not simply swap Pope for Bairstow in the middle of an innings. Or are Keepers set and can't be changed?
Huh? Pope is even more of a part-time keeper than Bairstow !
RE: It's The Ashes (again) - SuperBob2002 - 06-18-2023
(06-18-2023, 10:28 AM)Pragmatist Wrote:(06-18-2023, 10:25 AM)SuperBob2002 Wrote: I can't imagine how difficult it is to keep wicket with bowlers who can swing the ball around corners and bowling 80plus MPH.
Could we not simply swap Pope for Bairstow in the middle of an innings. Or are Keepers set and can't be changed?
Huh? Pope is even more of a part-time keeper than Bairstow !
Maybe so, but how many more chances do you give a wicket keeper before tossing the gloves to someone else? 3 dropped catches and missed stumping! It feels.like when we had Button in goal. You can't lose out by replacing him as he's costing enough as it is.
I'm probably being harsh on Bairstow, but I doubt he'll be reading this dump later on!
Did anyone see that graphic Sky have just shown of Jimmy's deliveries to Carey this morning? Each one on a six pence in the same spot. Incredible accuracy.
He's 40. For-bloody-ty. I won't be able to rotate my arm when I'm 40.
I feel a bit for Moeen here. Clearly struggling with soreness and possibly fatigue due to not being used to being bowled so heavily.
The declaration
The non-selection of a specialist wicket keeper
The non-selection of a full time red ball spinner
All 3 are avoidable situations we have needlessly put ourselves in, but decisions we could be regretting. It's frustrating, but I guess easy to be critical in hindsight.
RE: It's The Ashes (again) - Pragmatist - 06-18-2023
(06-18-2023, 10:31 AM)SuperBob2002 Wrote:(06-18-2023, 10:28 AM)Pragmatist Wrote:(06-18-2023, 10:25 AM)SuperBob2002 Wrote: I can't imagine how difficult it is to keep wicket with bowlers who can swing the ball around corners and bowling 80plus MPH.
Could we not simply swap Pope for Bairstow in the middle of an innings. Or are Keepers set and can't be changed?
Huh? Pope is even more of a part-time keeper than Bairstow !
Maybe so, but how many more chances do you give a wicket keeper before tossing the gloves to someone else? 3 dropped catches and missed stumping! It feels.like when we had Button in goal. You can't lose out by replacing him as he's costing enough as it is.
I'm probably being harsh on Bairstow, but I doubt he'll be reading this dump later on!
Did anyone see that graphic Sky have just shown of Jimmy's deliveries to Carey this morning? Each one on a six pence in the same spot. Incredible accuracy.
He's 40. For-bloody-ty. I won't be able to rotate my arm when I'm 40.
I feel a bit for Moeen here. Clearly struggling with soreness and possibly fatigue due to not being used to being bowled so heavily.
The declaration
The non-selection of a specialist wicket keeper
The non-selection of a full time red ball spinner
All 3 are avoidable situations we have needlessly put ourselves in, but decisions we could be regretting. It's frustrating, but I guess easy to be critical in hindsight.
Who would you have picked as the spinner instead of Moeen? Liam Dawson probably was the only realistic candidate based on current/recent red-ball form. Back in the 1980s there would have been a dozen of excellent spinners to choose from!