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RE: Growth - Kit Kat Chunky - 06-19-2025
(06-19-2025, 12:54 PM)baggy1 Wrote:(06-19-2025, 12:41 PM)Kit Kat Chunky Wrote: Stop being a plank. Only Labour promised a "fully costed" solution. Where is it?
This government is a busted flush. The complete country can see it.
A trade deal has not been done with the USA - that would need to go through the two houses, and it hasn't. It is an agreement. Starmer's "brown nosing" has achieved something, but how long will it last? Trump will change his tune after the state visit in September.
Saved the car industry? How about MG Rover and Vauxhall Luton closing on their watch.
No one said a trade deal was done with the US. If you are going to criticise my post at least read it "two trade deals and a mitigation of the damage caused by the looney toon in the White House"
Vauxhall Luton was moved to Ellesmere Port and MG Rover - wtf? If you can't see that the agreement saved JLR then you are blinkered beyond help.
The country is where it is, not because of 12 months of this government, but because of the last couple of decades of asset stripping. Why have you so meekly watched it happen for that time.
Maybe if the chancellor gave you a free meal that would cheer you up
Wah Wah Wah! It's the Tories
Every Labour Government has left the country with more unemployed than when they started - check. On course for that one. Every Labour Government has always spunked more than it has taxed. The only difference this time is that the last inept Conservative Government didn't leave them a surplus. They don't know what to do, because the Student Union economics book didn't teach them this one.
We'll see in 4 years, and you can go back then to another 20 years of blaming everyone else.
The situation the Labour party find themselves in is like Nylon - man made.
RE: Growth - baggy1 - 06-19-2025
Glad we agree that you can shut up and wait 4 years to start your wailing. I rebuff each of your points above and you resort to 'well in 1979...'. Your problem is very simple, aptly, and that is that there are two teams and you are blue and I am red and you can't see beyond that. However if i tell you that over my lifetime I have voted, Red, Yellow, Blue and Green and this time there really was no choice because your team were taking the piss and stealing from your pocket when you though they were reaching in to give you pleasure.
RE: Growth - Kit Kat Chunky - 06-19-2025
(06-19-2025, 01:18 PM)baggy1 Wrote: Glad we agree that you can shut up and wait 4 years to start your wailing. I rebuff each of your points above and you resort to 'well in 1979...'. Your problem is very simple, aptly, and that is that there are two teams and you are blue and I am red and you can't see beyond that. However if i tell you that over my lifetime I have voted, Red, Yellow, Blue and Green and this time there really was no choice because your team were taking the piss and stealing from your pocket when you though they were reaching in to give you pleasure.
We can't agree on anything.
It's your wailing in 4 years - for 20 years.
You can't rebuff what I said in my post timed from an hour ago, because they are 9 facts. You simply "rebuff" them because you have no answer, other than "£22bn black hole" (that never existed according to the OBR), or "14 years of Tories". They did leave a mess, but Labour doesn't have the first clue how to deal with it, other than to spunk money on wages to their paymasters.
I can tell you over my lifetime I've voted for a variety of parties, including Blair. There is only one party taking from the pocket of the poor now though, and it's Labour. It's scandalous.
RE: Growth - baggy1 - 06-19-2025
You seem to think that WFA was removed entirely so you'll forgive me if I take what you say with a pinch of salt.
RE: Growth - SW4Baggie - 06-19-2025
Can someone answer me this... if we get rid of Labour, who is going to come in and fix things?
Kemi? She makes this lot look competent and capable...
Reform? I guess at least they haven't even bothered to cost their proposals - it will be a catastrophic economic crash that will dwarf Liz Truss and Brexit...
Lib Dem? Probably the best of a bad bunch but woefully inexperienced and need a spell as official opposition.
Greens? Lol.
RE: Growth - baggy1 - 06-19-2025
Clunky doesn't get that bit of it SW4 - and he's been surprising quiet with these views over the last couple of decades, but honest he did vote Labour once.
RE: Growth - Protheroe - 06-19-2025
(06-19-2025, 01:41 PM)SW4Baggie Wrote: Can someone answer me this... if we get rid of Labour, who is going to come in and fix things?
Kemi? She makes this lot look competent and capable...
Reform? I guess at least they haven't even bothered to cost their proposals - it will be a catastrophic economic crash that will dwarf Liz Truss and Brexit...
Lib Dem? Probably the best of a bad bunch but woefully inexperienced and need a spell as official opposition.
Greens? Lol.
We have never been more in need of a benign dictator. Democracy won't work when the caucus of over 50s is so powerful - I shall be watching the Bromsgrove Council Meeting tonight about the housing allocations for the Local Plan. Needless to say everyone round here is up in arms about a sensible infill to the urban form of Hagley with 530 houses. No one in the whole Borough - which is 90% Green Belt FFS - wants anything anywhere, including every shade of Councillor.
I honestly couldn't tell you who someone in their 20s, 30s and 40s should vote for.
If they looked up from their phones for a minute they might foment a revolution.
RE: Growth - baggy1 - 06-19-2025
(06-19-2025, 02:01 PM)Protheroe Wrote:(06-19-2025, 01:41 PM)SW4Baggie Wrote: Can someone answer me this... if we get rid of Labour, who is going to come in and fix things?
Kemi? She makes this lot look competent and capable...
Reform? I guess at least they haven't even bothered to cost their proposals - it will be a catastrophic economic crash that will dwarf Liz Truss and Brexit...
Lib Dem? Probably the best of a bad bunch but woefully inexperienced and need a spell as official opposition.
Greens? Lol.
We have never been more in need of a benign dictator. Democracy won't work when the caucus of over 50s is so powerful - I shall be watching the Bromsgrove Council Meeting tonight about the housing allocations for the Local Plan. Needless to say everyone round here is up in arms about a sensible infill to the urban form of Hagley with 530 houses. No one in the whole Borough - which is 90% Green Belt FFS - wants anything anywhere, including every shade of Councillor.
I honestly couldn't tell you who someone in their 20s, 30s and 40s should vote for.
If they looked up from their phones for a minute they might foment a revolution.
Same thing happening around here Proth: https://www.facebook.com/Solihull/posts/developers-have-published-details-of-ambitious-plans-for-hundreds-of-new-homes-i/1253710450095753/
You've only got to look at the comments to get the gist - "Building for the boat people to live in", We need "more brownfield sites in Birmingham", "More farmland being targeted" (I'm no farmer but can't see much being grown on there at the moment), etc etc.
Fuck knows what they expect - NIMBYism is alive and well everywhere.
RE: Growth - SW4Baggie - 06-19-2025
(06-19-2025, 02:30 PM)baggy1 Wrote:(06-19-2025, 02:01 PM)Protheroe Wrote:(06-19-2025, 01:41 PM)SW4Baggie Wrote: Can someone answer me this... if we get rid of Labour, who is going to come in and fix things?
Kemi? She makes this lot look competent and capable...
Reform? I guess at least they haven't even bothered to cost their proposals - it will be a catastrophic economic crash that will dwarf Liz Truss and Brexit...
Lib Dem? Probably the best of a bad bunch but woefully inexperienced and need a spell as official opposition.
Greens? Lol.
We have never been more in need of a benign dictator. Democracy won't work when the caucus of over 50s is so powerful - I shall be watching the Bromsgrove Council Meeting tonight about the housing allocations for the Local Plan. Needless to say everyone round here is up in arms about a sensible infill to the urban form of Hagley with 530 houses. No one in the whole Borough - which is 90% Green Belt FFS - wants anything anywhere, including every shade of Councillor.
I honestly couldn't tell you who someone in their 20s, 30s and 40s should vote for.
If they looked up from their phones for a minute they might foment a revolution.
Same thing happening around here Proth: https://www.facebook.com/Solihull/posts/developers-have-published-details-of-ambitious-plans-for-hundreds-of-new-homes-i/1253710450095753/
You've only got to look at the comments to get the gist - "Building for the boat people to live in", We need "more brownfield sites in Birmingham", "More farmland being targeted" (I'm no farmer but can't see much being grown on there at the moment), etc etc.
Fuck knows what they expect - NIMBYism is alive and well everywhere.
And this is it isn’t it, one of the legacies of the last 14 years of Tories is the growth in “every man for themselves” and a total lack of compassion for anyone poor as they simply don’t deserve anything. Add to that a demand for immediate gratification and an inability to remember anything more than 6 months ago and you can see why society is in such a shit state.
We have an ageing population that’s hoarding wealth, has no interest in paying the taxes required to fund the system that’s heavily supported them throughout their lives, and a younger generation that’s received so little from the system, and realise they’re unlikely to see anything other than more cuts going forward so don’t really want to fund the retirement of those who’ve given them 10 years or austerity and Brexit.
If there was something worth looking up from their phones for, maybe they would, but I’ve no idea what I’d do if I were 20 right now. Well, actually, I’d spend hours in the gym and sell pictures of my dick online, it’s much more profitable than incurring 100k of student debt to work 60 hour weeks with no hope of buying a house.
RE: Growth - Borin' Baggie - 06-19-2025
(06-19-2025, 02:30 PM)baggy1 Wrote:(06-19-2025, 02:01 PM)Protheroe Wrote:(06-19-2025, 01:41 PM)SW4Baggie Wrote: Can someone answer me this... if we get rid of Labour, who is going to come in and fix things?
Kemi? She makes this lot look competent and capable...
Reform? I guess at least they haven't even bothered to cost their proposals - it will be a catastrophic economic crash that will dwarf Liz Truss and Brexit...
Lib Dem? Probably the best of a bad bunch but woefully inexperienced and need a spell as official opposition.
Greens? Lol.
We have never been more in need of a benign dictator. Democracy won't work when the caucus of over 50s is so powerful - I shall be watching the Bromsgrove Council Meeting tonight about the housing allocations for the Local Plan. Needless to say everyone round here is up in arms about a sensible infill to the urban form of Hagley with 530 houses. No one in the whole Borough - which is 90% Green Belt FFS - wants anything anywhere, including every shade of Councillor.
I honestly couldn't tell you who someone in their 20s, 30s and 40s should vote for.
If they looked up from their phones for a minute they might foment a revolution.
Same thing happening around here Proth: https://www.facebook.com/Solihull/posts/developers-have-published-details-of-ambitious-plans-for-hundreds-of-new-homes-i/1253710450095753/
You've only got to look at the comments to get the gist - "Building for the boat people to live in", We need "more brownfield sites in Birmingham", "More farmland being targeted" (I'm no farmer but can't see much being grown on there at the moment), etc etc.
Fuck knows what they expect - NIMBYism is alive and well everywhere.
You want to read the stuff about pylons. They keep saying that we should bury the cables as though that's not going to cost 20x more (added onto bills as that's how grid infrastructure is funded) over bloody Lincolnshire which is flat, and you can't farm over buried cables because if you dig into a 400kV line accidentally you've fucked up the entire grid for however long it takes to repair which is longer as you need to dig and re-bury, and you're probably dead.
Do they actually want lower electricity bills?