Quote:Professor Sir Andrew Pollard's intervention comes with various medics working in hospital expressing similar concerns – with some saying their patience is ‘wearing thin’ with anti-vaxxers and the amount of resources the NHS is spending on people who have not been jabbed.

Quote:While more than 88% of people aged 12 and over have now had a first dose, that leaves millions unprotected – and potentially at risk of serious illness and death.

Quote:Earlier this month, an anaesthetist told the @MetroUK about working in intensive care amid the strain from Covid, which he said had left ‘the NHS is teetering on its edge’.

Quote:Dr Ed Patrick wrote in an opinion piece: ‘I looked around and realised that almost all of my patients were suffering from Covid-19 – and nearly every one of them was unvaccinated.’

Quote:He added: ‘I meet a lot of healthy people who think they’re bulletproof and can’t get taken down by this virus. Many are young – in their 20s, 30s and 40s – yet they’re struggling to breathe, even with lots of oxygen.’

Quote:Dr Ed added: ‘Seeing an unvaccinated patient is incredibly frustrating and sad. Frustrating because the vaccine probably would have prevented this, sad because I know what’s likely to be next for them.'

(11-24-2021, 08:39 PM)baggy1 Wrote:

(11-24-2021, 07:13 PM)backsidebaggie Wrote: The vaccine, and repeated boosters indefinitely, will be mandated in the end. Or at the very least required to such a degree it’s virtually impossible to have any kind of normal life.

It’s not hard to see how governments are edging towards this. Debates on, for example, whether people working with the vulnerable require it are only one aspect of a much bigger issue IMO, as that’s just a stepping stone - a job that’s easier to mandate first. There’s way too many things happened that don’t make sense for me to trust any government right now. In my opinion they’re boiling the frog slowly.

Unless something very significant happens and there’s a big change in direction, it’s a booster every year for life or second class living. The state will decide.

Whether people are happy for the state to decide on medical treatment/vaccines should be the question people ask themselves, whatever their feelings on this particular jab. I know how I stand on this, but I’d just say whatever anyone’s opinion, there’s a bigger picture. This isn’t just about the covid jab, so don’t make your mind up based on only that. In my opinion.

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(11-24-2021, 04:13 PM)Sliced Wrote: The most baffling part for me, undoubtedly, is why we don't acknowledge that recovery from COVID gives protection from COVID. That is a fact. It's not complete protection but then neither is the vaccine. Why is this information not being used at all when informing public policy?

https://news.sky.com/story/people-in-residential-care-dying-alone-and-neglected-amid-dangerously-low-staffing-levels-12477054?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

Who’d have thought it? I was told a few posts ago that this policy on care staff was common sense. Really??? Absolute madness IMO, when testing has worked fine. NHS next, then other jobs IMO.

Holy Moly bb, you really need to pack in the tin hat theories. Johnson, Hancock and whoever was on the podium that day made stupid unpromisable promises on a regular basis, nothing changed the trajectory of what was needed until the jab came in. Now we have the jab we are still learning but IMO not far off, we appear to have stumbled into a solution in that we have high numbers of jabbed aligned with high number with immunity from having had covid. This appears to be keeping the hospitalisations at a steady level (just over 6k today compared with just over 5k at the start of August) despite the fact we are running as normal in virtually every sense (not certain where you feel it is virtually impossible to have any sort of normal life). I imagine that they are being over cautious going into winter because we simply don't know how it will go, I expect it to increase but not to previous levels, hence why there is such a big focus on getting the vaccine.

And as for care homes, if you think that care homes weren't always leaving people in their pyjamas until tea time or putting them in someone else's clothes regularly then you haven't been paying much attention. There has always been a job shortage in the sector, that doesn't mean it is sensible at this point to have someone unvaccinated and caring for the vulnerable. 

You've been banging on about the conspiracy theory that this is a government control conspiracy driven by what we can't say, but it really is the government reflecting what the majority of society think. If it does help I do believe that by spring I think they will recognise that a combination of the jab and previous infections will mean that we can get back to normal and this is why they have put the NHS date back to April 1st so that they can see how the winter goes. If I'm wrong I'll join the resistance with you and fight them on the barricades.

Numbers in hospital down to 6,062 in England after being 7,291 on the 3rd Nov, 5,017 on the 29th Sept, 6,236 on the 1st Sept and 4,944 on the 4th August - all pretty steady but expect it to grow over the next few months.

(11-24-2021, 09:01 PM)baggy1 Wrote: How many care workers have actually lost their jobs because of this bb? The article linked was pretty light on that bit of detail. The government u-turns and policy changes are simply down to two things, they don't know what is going to happen so trying to predict a pandemic has proven more difficult than they could deal with 3 word slogans, and they are fucking idiots - that has got nothing to do with how the pandemic needs to be handled and going into winter we need all hands at the pump.

And as for your predictions you were predicting we'd be back in lockdown and there would be riots on the streets of London and riots on the streets of Birmingham. You wonder to yourself if life can ever be sane again well it will be

(11-24-2021, 09:03 PM)keef Wrote: Its simple for me the nhs has looked after me for more years than i care to remember  in the past if they told me to take a prescriptiion  i took it if they told me to be vaccinated i did so and i am still hear
they told me i should get a covid jab so i did 
why would we argue with the nhs  I trust the nhs

(11-24-2021, 09:12 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:

(11-24-2021, 09:03 PM)keef Wrote: Its simple for me the nhs has looked after me for more years than i care to remember  in the past if they told me to take a prescriptiion  i took it if they told me to be vaccinated i did so and i am still hear
they told me i should get a covid jab so i did 
why would we argue with the nhs  I trust the nhs

Cuz they dun their research… 

Translation they have read bullshit on Twitter and Facebook and watched YouTube ‘experts’.

(11-24-2021, 09:21 PM)backsidebaggie Wrote:

(11-24-2021, 09:12 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:

(11-24-2021, 09:03 PM)keef Wrote: Its simple for me the nhs has looked after me for more years than i care to remember  in the past if they told me to take a prescriptiion  i took it if they told me to be vaccinated i did so and i am still hear
they told me i should get a covid jab so i did 
why would we argue with the nhs  I trust the nhs

Cuz they dun their research… 

Translation they have read bullshit on Twitter and Facebook and watched YouTube ‘experts’.

And DH throws in the usual label that people who have made a different decision are idiots who made their decision based on YouTube. Jesus Christ, pathetic. You are completely enveloped in the divide I have talked about by presuming millions of people have made a decision based on YouTube and are idiots, when that is simply not the case. But you love grouping and stereotyping, you revel in such division and I’m sure whatever anyone’s opinion on this, most posters realise that such a generalisation is immature, inaccurate and divisive.

(11-25-2021, 12:12 PM)baggiebuckster Wrote: France now announced that booster jabs for everyone over 18 and Covid passes expire if the booster not taken. Another conspiracy theory coming true. The message is becoming clearer by the day around the world -  Get whatever jabs the Govt tell you or have your life restricted.