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RE: UK Covid death toll - Derek Hardballs - 11-19-2021
Well I’ve just had my booster jab and will be carrying on as normal. Every now and then I will dip in to this thread and remind myself why we have seen consistently high infection rates in this country for months.
Oddly now Europe are having similar infection rates or more in Germany’s case it’s an issue again with some in the U.K. when it was just us it was nothing to see here it’s all fine! At least those countries are trying to curb their infection rates. We have a Primark Minister who can’t even be arsed to wear a fugging mask in a hospital without being reminded, or the House of Commons!
RE: UK Covid death toll - backsidebaggie - 11-19-2021
(11-19-2021, 01:13 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: Well I’ve just had my booster jab and will be carrying on as normal. Every now and then I will dip in to this thread and remind myself why we have seen consistently high infection rates in this country for months.
Oddly now Europe are having similar infection rates or more in Germany’s case it’s an issue again with some in the U.K. when it was just us it was nothing to see here it’s all fine! At least those countries are trying to curb their infection rates. We have a Primark Minister who can’t even be arsed to wear a fugging mask in a hospital without being reminded, or the House of Commons!
They're trying to curb their infection rates with further methods that have absolutely no scientific evidence of working (vax passports), or in Austria's case, segregation and forced vaccinations from February, with fines and imprisonment if people don't comply. The vaccine does not prevent transmission, and increasingly looks like its poor at even reducing it.
Similar measures will be coming soon here (despite not making any scientific sense), they just know they can't get away with it at the moment. Until they've "persuaded" enough people its proportionate by labelling people into groups and causing a poisonous divide.
Meanwhile, people argue about absolute bollocks like whether Boris has a mask on, instead of looking at the bigger picture at whether the measures are working worldwide, medical autonomy vs state control, what the fuck we're going to do about the care sector and NHS being decimated by losing staff to vax mandates (when I repeat, it does not prevent transmission and testing was working ok). Stop the pandemic, sack NHS staff! Genius!
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 11-19-2021
Are there any figures for how many care home workers lost their jobs last Thursday when it became mandatory? I'm guessing that if it was the 50k predicted we would have heard more about it, but I am surprised we haven't had any news on it. The NHS mandate is not until April so that seems a sensible approach knowing the pressures they are under.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggiebuckster - 11-19-2021
By what logic is retaining NHS staff until April a sensible approach?
The reason they say NHS staff must be vaccinated is because they are a danger to patients. You know those very same patient's they are going to be looking after during a winter predicted to be one of the worst in history. Surely letting those unvaccinated staff mix with patients is the last thing that should be happening seeing as they are so deadly.
But it is ok to retain unvaccinated staff in order to prevent an NHS collapse. And then after the staff have seen us through the winter their reward will be the sack
RE: UK Covid death toll - Derek Hardballs - 11-19-2021
(11-19-2021, 01:47 PM)baggy1 Wrote: Are there any figures for how many care home workers lost their jobs last Thursday when it became mandatory? I'm guessing that if it was the 50k predicted we would have heard more about it, but I am surprised we haven't had any news on it. The NHS mandate is not until April so that seems a sensible approach knowing the pressures they are under.
Around seven thousand I think? But I was only half listening to the report so I could be wrong.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 11-19-2021
(11-19-2021, 02:15 PM)baggiebuckster Wrote: By what logic is retaining NHS staff until April a sensible approach?
The reason they say NHS staff must be vaccinated is because they are a danger to patients. You know those very same patient's they are going to be looking after during a winter predicted to be one of the worst in history. Surely letting those unvaccinated staff mix with patients is the last thing that should be happening seeing as they are so deadly.
But it is ok to retain unvaccinated staff in order to prevent an NHS collapse. And then after the staff have seen us through the winter their reward will be the sack
That one is simpler, care home workers will be directly working with the most vulnerable. NHS workers can be reallocated to less risky areas or working with the less vulnerable.
RE: UK Covid death toll - backsidebaggie - 11-19-2021
(11-19-2021, 01:47 PM)baggy1 Wrote: Are there any figures for how many care home workers lost their jobs last Thursday when it became mandatory? I'm guessing that if it was the 50k predicted we would have heard more about it, but I am surprised we haven't had any news on it. The NHS mandate is not until April so that seems a sensible approach knowing the pressures they are under.
I believe many have just resigned and taken up other jobs. I'm not sure if it was 50k in the end. Edit: Thousands have applied for medical exemption or self certified as exempt. God knows what will happen there as tons will just be saying they're exempt to keep their job (I don't blame them).
The NHS mandate is absolute insanity, not a sensible approach! It'll harm the NHS even more and we're in a pandemic, and testing works fine. The vaccine is not very good at preventing transmission.
And as for 'home care', it looks like they have a different deadline....... Only 100,000 predicted to be lost?!
https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/mandatory-covid-vaccine-unvaccinated-home-care-workers-sacked-new-rules-1298031
And it won't end at the nhs, or working with the vulnerable. I can't believe anyone actually thinks it will stop there given what's going on in other countries.
I'll say it again. Its mission 'creep'. We're moving towards mandated vaccines for all. Arguing over a particular job, or sector (vulnerable), or a pub or a cinema, or a sporting event, is irrelevant. Look at the big picture.
The debate should be around what is happening in Austria, because that is coming here. Anyone keeping their eye on Australia over the last few months has had warning signs too.
Lets cut the crap. Only two things will get the vax rate "towards" 100%. Complete exclusion from society, or force. Also known as total fucking fascist insanity. IMO.
I'm absolutely horrified what is going on in Austria, and I can't believe there's not more fuss about it. But actually I can, because a significant proportion of the population now have "covid tunnel vision", and would literally back ANTHING that sound remotely like it might help, even if it makes no real scientific sense. Scotland cannot provide any evidence that it has improved things. Wales said they had some evidence but failed to release it. They've both brought in covid passes, they didn't reduce cases, so their answer? Extend them! Its laughable. Europe has had a number of countries with covid passes. Look at the great nick they're in with cases. Its a joke.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-in-scotland-john-swinney-urged-to-scrap-vaccine-passports-7dp6chl8d
The vaccine does not even prevent transmission. Even high vax rates are not "getting us out of this" pandemic. Yet some think adding another 10-15%, or however many, will work. Its laughable. Well, it would be if it wasn't bodily autonomy we were talking about.
Fines and prison in Austria for not taking a vax that doesn't prevent transmission. Fines and prison. Is this sinking in? I'm sure the answer will be "it will increase uptake". Like covid passes did. Which have made fuck all difference.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggiebuckster - 11-19-2021
(11-19-2021, 02:20 PM)baggy1 Wrote:(11-19-2021, 02:15 PM)baggiebuckster Wrote: By what logic is retaining NHS staff until April a sensible approach?
The reason they say NHS staff must be vaccinated is because they are a danger to patients. You know those very same patient's they are going to be looking after during a winter predicted to be one of the worst in history. Surely letting those unvaccinated staff mix with patients is the last thing that should be happening seeing as they are so deadly.
But it is ok to retain unvaccinated staff in order to prevent an NHS collapse. And then after the staff have seen us through the winter their reward will be the sack
That one is simpler, care home workers will be directly working with the most vulnerable. NHS workers can be reallocated to less risky areas or working with the less vulnerable.
So why sack them then?
RE: UK Covid death toll - Derek Hardballs - 11-19-2021
(11-19-2021, 01:28 PM)backsidebaggie Wrote:(11-19-2021, 01:13 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: Well I’ve just had my booster jab and will be carrying on as normal. Every now and then I will dip in to this thread and remind myself why we have seen consistently high infection rates in this country for months.
Oddly now Europe are having similar infection rates or more in Germany’s case it’s an issue again with some in the U.K. when it was just us it was nothing to see here it’s all fine! At least those countries are trying to curb their infection rates. We have a Primark Minister who can’t even be arsed to wear a fugging mask in a hospital without being reminded, or the House of Commons!
They're trying to curb their infection rates with further methods that have absolutely no scientific evidence of working (vax passports), or in Austria's case, segregation and forced vaccinations from February, with fines and imprisonment if people don't comply. The vaccine does not prevent transmission, and increasingly looks like its poor at even reducing it.
Similar measures will be coming soon here (despite not making any scientific sense), they just know they can't get away with it at the moment. Until they've "persuaded" enough people its proportionate by labelling people into groups and causing a poisonous divide.
Meanwhile, people argue about absolute bollocks like whether Boris has a mask on, instead of looking at the bigger picture at whether the measures are working worldwide, medical autonomy vs state control, what the fuck we're going to do about the care sector and NHS being decimated by losing staff to vax mandates (when I repeat, it does not prevent transmission and testing was working ok). Stop the pandemic, sack NHS staff! Genius!
It’s not a trivial matter to expect the Prime Minister to set an example of safety at all times in a hospital. He sets the tone for what is and isn’t acceptable. For example what message does it send out when you see most of the Conservative party at PMQs can’t even be bothered to wear a mask? We have had consistently high infection rates now for months and yet we do nothing about them. This complete disregard for the vulnerable be they jabbed or can’t be in this country is an awful indictment of its moral compass.
Those staff who have left or will leave their employment had a choice. Choosing not to helps literally no one including themselves let alone those they care for.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 11-19-2021
(11-19-2021, 02:25 PM)baggiebuckster Wrote:(11-19-2021, 02:20 PM)baggy1 Wrote:(11-19-2021, 02:15 PM)baggiebuckster Wrote: By what logic is retaining NHS staff until April a sensible approach?
The reason they say NHS staff must be vaccinated is because they are a danger to patients. You know those very same patient's they are going to be looking after during a winter predicted to be one of the worst in history. Surely letting those unvaccinated staff mix with patients is the last thing that should be happening seeing as they are so deadly.
But it is ok to retain unvaccinated staff in order to prevent an NHS collapse. And then after the staff have seen us through the winter their reward will be the sack
That one is simpler, care home workers will be directly working with the most vulnerable. NHS workers can be reallocated to less risky areas or working with the less vulnerable.
So why sack them then?
They are still providing a risk, just less of one to less vulnerable individuals. A good percentage of infections have occurred in hospitals, reduce the chance of the spread in hospitals will help long term.