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RE: Takeover - Woodman scoreboard - 02-11-2024
(02-11-2024, 01:55 PM)richbaggie Wrote: I think you are missing the point Derek.
The new rules, if enforced correctly, will mean all clubs will need to dial down wages considerably. It affects all clubs. I see it as a good thing personally. The quality of coaching and improving of players will be paramount and at the moment, that puts us in a good position.
Pump the money into the academy and hopefully it will pay off.
RE: Takeover - Derek Hardballs - 02-11-2024
(02-11-2024, 01:55 PM)richbaggie Wrote: I think you are missing the point Derek.
The new rules, if enforced correctly, will mean all clubs will need to dial down wages considerably. It affects all clubs. I see it as a good thing personally. The quality of coaching and improving of players will be paramount and at the moment, that puts us in a good position.
It will lead to a Prem 2 very quickly imo otherwise clubs like ourselves, Blues, Boro etc will not bridge the gap again as the advantage will be even higher for relegated clubs. For any league to operate properly you need the consent of the clubs in it, I just cannot see the bigger clubs with owners eager to get promotion sticking with this more egalitarian way of operating. It’s a great idea to be self sufficient but I just cannot see in reality how it work. Rules are there to be worked around, look at Blues and their ‘sponsorship’ deal as the potential direction of travel.
RE: Takeover - yeoman lai - 02-11-2024
(02-11-2024, 01:55 PM)richbaggie Wrote: I think you are missing the point Derek.
The new rules, if enforced correctly, will mean all clubs will need to dial down wages considerably. It affects all clubs. I see it as a good thing personally. The quality of coaching and improving of players will be paramount and at the moment, that puts us in a good position.
..As well as the fact that if the wages are equalled our history and size as a club would be an advantage. With no disrespect but West Brom or Coventry same money, I would think the majority of players would choose us.
RE: Takeover - Fulham Fallout - 02-11-2024
(02-11-2024, 01:40 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:(02-11-2024, 01:30 PM)Pragmatist Wrote:(02-11-2024, 01:11 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: I don’t see how you can build a squad of any note with this arbitrary wage cap. Any decent player who comes through our ranks and proves themselves is not going to meekly accept low wages when they can move to a club that pays more. We imo are setting ourselves up if this the plan for decades in the Championship unless we have one lucky Luton-esque season where the stars align and we go up.
You’re missing the key point that all clubs around us would be subject to similar wage restrictions. Nobody in this division (other than those with parachute payments) will be able to pay any more. The Championship is unsustainable with the status quo. Something has to change.
I’m not missing the point, the point is to build a squad capable of promotion AND then competing in the Prem with a core group of players like we did before will be impossible under this way of operating. Brunt, Morrison, Foster etc would have all gone and we would just start the rebuilding cycle over and over. Sure we might do a Luton but more likely we will just stagnate and go backwards over time. The amount of investment to play money ball is expensive and cannot happen as a self sustaining club at least not at the outset.
Also when we were doing well in the Prem and Championship our wage bill was very high compared to our income. It wasn’t our genius system it was the fact we offered competitive wages in the Prem and outstripped our competitors in the Championship that made us competitive. We may not have spent millions on transfer fees but our wages were very good. Now we are suggesting we can compete with low wage and low transfer fees it’s fantasy football imo.
You moaned about the club kicking the can down the road, by taking out the MSD loans. Now the club are trying to reduce losses, by reducing wages, you’re moaning again.
You can’t have your cake and eat it Derek
RE: Takeover - Pragmatist - 02-11-2024
(02-11-2024, 01:40 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:(02-11-2024, 01:30 PM)Pragmatist Wrote:(02-11-2024, 01:11 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: I don’t see how you can build a squad of any note with this arbitrary wage cap. Any decent player who comes through our ranks and proves themselves is not going to meekly accept low wages when they can move to a club that pays more. We imo are setting ourselves up if this the plan for decades in the Championship unless we have one lucky Luton-esque season where the stars align and we go up.
You’re missing the key point that all clubs around us would be subject to similar wage restrictions. Nobody in this division (other than those with parachute payments) will be able to pay any more. The Championship is unsustainable with the status quo. Something has to change.
I’m not missing the point, the point is to build a squad capable of promotion AND then competing in the Prem with a core group of players like we did before will be impossible under this way of operating. Brunt, Morrison, Foster etc would have all gone and we would just start the rebuilding cycle over and over. Sure we might do a Luton but more likely we will just stagnate and go backwards over time. The amount of investment to play money ball is expensive and cannot happen as a self sustaining club at least not at the outset.
Also when we were doing well in the Prem and Championship our wage bill was very high compared to our income. It wasn’t our genius system it was the fact we offered competitive wages in the Prem and outstripped our competitors in the Championship that made us competitive. We may not have spent millions on transfer fees but our wages were very good. Now we are suggesting we can compete with low wage and low transfer fees it’s fantasy football imo.
It simply isn’t possible for ANY club to have a squad capable of winning promotion AND stay up. It would have to be massively strengthened. Times have moved on. The gulf is too big. All clubs are going to have to be self-sufficient. The current model is completely broken.
(02-11-2024, 02:36 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:(02-11-2024, 01:55 PM)richbaggie Wrote: I think you are missing the point Derek.
The new rules, if enforced correctly, will mean all clubs will need to dial down wages considerably. It affects all clubs. I see it as a good thing personally. The quality of coaching and improving of players will be paramount and at the moment, that puts us in a good position.
It will lead to a Prem 2 very quickly imo otherwise clubs like ourselves, Blues, Boro etc will not bridge the gap again as the advantage will be even higher for relegated clubs. For any league to operate properly you need the consent of the clubs in it, I just cannot see the bigger clubs with owners eager to get promotion sticking with this more egalitarian way of operating. It’s a great idea to be self sufficient but I just cannot see in reality how it work. Rules are there to be worked around, look at Blues and their ‘sponsorship’ deal as the potential direction of travel.
Yes it could well lead to a Prem 2. I said that higher up this thread.
There are not so many owners out there prepared to write almost a blank cheque to finance a club with annual losses of millions of pounds - and more. Several existing PL clubs will go bust once their current rich owners die, get divorced, fall on bad times business-wise. They are realising that it’s a money out. It’s broken. Everton and Forest may well be the first to go.
RE: Takeover - Pipes of Peace - 02-11-2024
Tick tock
RE: Takeover - Sliced - 02-11-2024
Takeover O'Clock?
RE: Takeover - Woodman scoreboard - 02-11-2024
End of month wont be a bad shout I reckon
RE: Takeover - CaptainFantastico - 02-11-2024
(02-11-2024, 02:24 PM)Woodman scoreboard Wrote:(02-11-2024, 01:55 PM)richbaggie Wrote: I think you are missing the point Derek.
The new rules, if enforced correctly, will mean all clubs will need to dial down wages considerably. It affects all clubs. I see it as a good thing personally. The quality of coaching and improving of players will be paramount and at the moment, that puts us in a good position.
Pump the money into the academy and hopefully it will pay off.
We still have at least a couple of years of legacy coming through that are very strong as it is
RE: Takeover - CorbsIsMagic - 02-11-2024
(02-11-2024, 03:44 PM)Woodman scoreboard Wrote: End of month wont be a bad shout I reckon
Fingers crossed - would be nice to have done going into the final few months of the season. I do wonder how long we’ll have to wait for EFL approval too once we’ve done everything we need to on our end (hopefully)
(02-11-2024, 03:57 PM)CaptainFantastico Wrote:(02-11-2024, 02:24 PM)Woodman scoreboard Wrote:(02-11-2024, 01:55 PM)richbaggie Wrote: I think you are missing the point Derek.
The new rules, if enforced correctly, will mean all clubs will need to dial down wages considerably. It affects all clubs. I see it as a good thing personally. The quality of coaching and improving of players will be paramount and at the moment, that puts us in a good position.
Pump the money into the academy and hopefully it will pay off.
We still have at least a couple of years of legacy coming through that are very strong as it is
If we can get one or two more Fellows esc coming through then we won’t be far off a decent place