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RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 08-05-2021
(08-05-2021, 07:30 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: Here’s some information on young people and Covid that probably deserves its own thread.
A fifth of hospital admissions
I saw that and wish they would use comparable figures instead of using % and numbers in an article like that. At the moment we have roughly 5k people in hospital so 1 in 5 is 1k obviously, but then they use the figure of 5.5% during the winter surge. This is a strange figure itself because why wouldn't you just use 5% especially when you are not using a specific date. The maximum number in hospital during the winter was just over 34k, 5.5% of 34k is 1,870 and seeing as 'winter surge' could be any date it leaves a lot of scope for that 1.8k to get nearer to the current 1k. 5.5% of 18k is 1k and the dates over 18k were from 25th Dec to mid Feb.
So what am I saying - basically the number of young people in hospital is roughly the same as it always was, there are 1k in hospital now compared to maximum 2k when it was at it's worst. The story should be about how all things being equal with roughly half of that age group being vaccinated I'm guessing, we are in a comparable position for that age group to the worst position in the winter, but the success of the vaccine means we only have 5k in hospital and not 35k - That is a good news story.
Having said that it is another obvious reason for more people to get vaccinated, it really works and means we will be able to get back to normal sooner. I am still concerned for the winter period when we all start going back indoors, meeting at crowded venues, etc - the virus, which is obviously not finding ways to transmit at the moment, will be renewed in opportunity to spread.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Derek Hardballs - 08-05-2021
(08-05-2021, 08:22 AM)baggy1 Wrote:(08-05-2021, 07:30 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: Here’s some information on young people and Covid that probably deserves its own thread.
A fifth of hospital admissions
I saw that and wish they would use comparable figures instead of using % and numbers in an article like that. At the moment we have roughly 5k people in hospital so 1 in 5 is 1k obviously, but then they use the figure of 5.5% during the winter surge. This is a strange figure itself because why wouldn't you just use 5% especially when you are not using a specific date. The maximum number in hospital during the winter was just over 34k, 5.5% of 34k is 1,870 and seeing as 'winter surge' could be any date it leaves a lot of scope for that 1.8k to get nearer to the current 1k. 5.5% of 18k is 1k and the dates over 18k were from 25th Dec to mid Feb.
So what am I saying - basically the number of young people in hospital is roughly the same as it always was, there are 1k in hospital now compared to maximum 2k when it was at it's worst. The story should be about how all things being equal with roughly half of that age group being vaccinated I'm guessing, we are in a comparable position for that age group to the worst position in the winter, but the success of the vaccine means we only have 5k in hospital and not 35k - That is a good news story.
Having said that it is another obvious reason for more people to get vaccinated, it really works and means we will be able to get back to normal sooner. I am still concerned for the winter period when we all start going back indoors, meeting at crowded venues, etc - the virus, which is obviously not finding ways to transmit at the moment, will be renewed in opportunity to spread.
I believe we are falling behind many of our peers (Western countries) now in terms of both first and second jabs. I suspect the nonsense messaging of ‘Fweedum Day’ etc has hobbled the take up by young people, giving them the impression it’s all over. It won’t be the only thing but we aren’t works beating anymore.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Birdman1811 - 08-05-2021
How do we get the remaining young people vaccinated? By now if they haven't had it, it's going to take some work.
RE: UK Covid death toll - richbaggie - 08-05-2021
It's slowed down but still doing 250k 18 to 30s a week still. Think there was some surprise at those numbers last week.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 08-05-2021
I do think that when businesses or countries start to put restrictions on who enters and it starts to hit on their freedoms then they will come forward. Whether people agree with it or not I can see it happening if numbers start to increase in the autumn / winter because businesses won't want to have to close if they are identified as the cause of an outbreak, or not have enough staff to operate. I can see a problem with having full stadiums during the winter, we all know what it is like trying to move around on the concourse so any spread will have the ideal opportunity, if cases start to be linked to football clubs I can see them requesting evidence of double jabs or some form of testing prior to entry - that or closing completely.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggiebuckster - 08-05-2021
Exactly the case and as this article implies double vaccination will not likely be enough. It will require 'full vaccination' which will be defined by whatever is being offered I assume.
https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/05/covid-vaccines-required-open-travel-for-evermore-grant-shapps?__twitter_impression=true
RE: UK Covid death toll - JOK - 08-06-2021
(08-05-2021, 09:31 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: I believe we are falling behind many of our peers (Western countries) now in terms of both first and second jabs.
I believe what you ‘believe’ is wrong.
% Of fully vaccinated population (Figures from 31th July)
U.K. 55.3
Germany 52.1
Italy 51.6
France 44.5
Spain 54.4
Netherlands 48.2
Sweden 41
Belgium 55.8
U.S.A. 50.2
Japan 27.8
Australia 14.9
U.S.A. 50.2
Canada 59.6
And of all these cited, the U.K. has a better ‘doses per 1000’ administered statistic !
Not quite “Falling behind” I’d say. Glad you’re not a judge at the Olympics!
www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/covid-19-vaccination-tracker/
RE: UK Covid death toll - Derek Hardballs - 08-06-2021
(08-06-2021, 06:19 AM)JOK Wrote:(08-05-2021, 09:31 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: I believe we are falling behind many of our peers (Western countries) now in terms of both first and second jabs.
I believe what you ‘believe’ is wrong.
% Of fully vaccinated population (Figures from 31th July)
U.K. 55.3
Germany 52.1
Italy 51.6
France 44.5
Spain 54.4
Netherlands 48.2
Sweden 41
Belgium 55.8
U.S.A. 50.2
Japan 27.8
Australia 14.9
U.S.A. 50.2
Canada 59.6
And of all these cited, the U.K. has a better ‘doses per 1000’ administered statistic !
Not quite “Falling behind” I’d say. Glad you’re not a judge at the Olympics!
www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/covid-19-vaccination-tracker/
Apart from being obsessed with me. Here’s the latest from the FT Tracker
FT tracker
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 08-06-2021
(07-19-2021, 12:12 PM)baggy1 Wrote: North East and Yorkshire: 48%; 23%; 38%; 88%; 55%; 40%; 8%, -8% (1020)
North West: 51%; 4%; 20%; 26%; 23%; 5%; 5% -6% (818)
Midlands: 22%; 14%; 34%; 65%; 51%; 35%; -6% (873)
East of England: 22%; 14%; 34%; 32%; 68%; 67%; 20%; -2% (354)
London: 10%; -1%; 13%; 35%; 34%; 36%; 30%; 1% (1044)
South West: 100%: 72%; 44%; 18%; 73%; 40%; 31%; 2% (339)
South East: 28%; 12%; 47%; 69%; 59%; 29%; 41%; -9% (431)
A fall in numbers for 5 of the 7 regions with the other 2 levelling off is more good news on the virus front after 7 weeks of growth in all regions. Again cautious optimism is a good place to be at this point in time and now we can hopefully look forward to all regions having double digit % decreases next week.
RE: UK Covid death toll - JOK - 08-07-2021
(08-06-2021, 07:12 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:(08-06-2021, 06:19 AM)JOK Wrote:Apart from being obsessed with me. Here’s the latest from the FT Tracker(08-05-2021, 09:31 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: I believe we are falling behind many of our peers (Western countries) now in terms of both first and second jabs.% Of fully vaccinated population (Figures from 31th July)
U.K. 55.3
Germany 52.1
Italy 51.6,
France 44.5
Spain 54.4
Netherlands 48.2
Sweden 41
Belgium 55.8
U.S.A. 50.2
Japan 27.8
Australia 14.9
U.S.A. 50.2
Canada 59.6
And of all these cited, the U.K. has a better ‘doses per 1000’ administered statistic !
Not quite “Falling behind” I’d say. Glad you’re not a judge at the Olympics!
FT tracker
So, we’re still doing better than France, Germany, Netherlands, Italy, Austria, Finland, Hungary, Poland, Japan, the USA and many, many more. (as of the 6th August)
And, tellingly, better than the average for the G7 states and the E.U., who I would class as “Our peers”.
So, the latest figures you posted do not quite prove your point, do they? Unless, you have a different measure of “Falling Behind” and "Many".