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RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 07-28-2021
(07-28-2021, 11:15 AM)Protheroe Wrote:(07-27-2021, 03:05 PM)baggy1 Wrote: So you were using your private hospital examples as supporting evidence for a story about the NHS.
No, both actually - but don't let that stop you jumping to conclusions.
Clearly some NHS trusts are better than others.
(07-27-2021, 07:27 PM)baggy1 Wrote: He does like to make this small group of strangers think he is something special and better off than us with no clue of our lifestyles or wealth. It's a bit sad really.
No, actually he watched the appalling treatment his now deceased parents had on the NHS with horror and changed his spending priorities in an attempt to mitigate that risk for him, his wife and kids.
Sad? Yes, sad that I felt I had to do it to protect my familiy. Sad that most people in this country don't have the choice. Sad that it's impossible to criticise the NHS despite it's abject failings and multiple cover-ups.
Your previous assertions have been that you don't use the NHS, so it shouldn't come as a surprise when we think you exclusively use private health care. The main point covered is that 40+% of people don't acquire covid in hospital, or the evidence doesn't support that assertion.
And you can take out health care without having to tell us that you do everything you can to avoid paying taxes as you don't like funding the government (the one that it appears you are happy to use the services of). And you then could tone down the 'carry on clapping the NHS and paying your taxes' rhetoric as if you have some superiority over us because you take a different stance. There are over a million NHS staff in the UK, some will be outstanding, some will be appallingly shit, but that doesn't change the 'force for good' that the NHS is as a whole. Sorry to hear of your issues, but the NHS is a fantastic body that needs to have work done but has shown over the last 18 months the value of itself.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Birdman1811 - 07-28-2021
As someone who works in the NHS, non clinical staff. I see how hard working, caring and determined most staff are, I also see the very high amount of stress they are under. The purpose of my job is to try to create software to relieve some of this stress without costing the NHS, and therefore the taxpayer, ridiculous amounts of money.
It's not perfect, I myself have enough bad experiences, but rarely is it due to pure ignorance or incompetence, although sadly, it does happen, as it does in private hospitals too.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Protheroe - 07-28-2021
(07-28-2021, 01:29 PM)baggy1 Wrote: 'force for good' that the NHS is as a whole.
Quality healthcare free at the point of use is a force for good. It doesn't matter who delivers it.
That's the fundamental problem with the healthcare debate in this country. It's impossible to have one.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 07-28-2021
(07-21-2021, 03:14 PM)baggy1 Wrote: 16th Sept - 929
23rd Sept - 1,439 (1.55 x previous week)
30th Sept - 2,036 (1.41 x pw)
7th Oct - 3,066 (1.51 x pw)
14th Oct - 4,313 (1.41 x pw)
21st Oct - 6,271 (1.45 x pw)
28th Oct - 9,070 (1.45 x pw)
4th Nov - 11,037 (1.22 x pw) (Lockdown 5th November)
11th Nov - 12,730 (1.15 x pw)
18th Nov - 14,490 (1.14 x pw)
25th Nov - 14,240 (0.98 x pw)
2nd Dec - 13,212 (0.93 x pw)
9th Dec - 13,467 (1.02 x pw)
16th Dec - 15,465 (1.15 x pw)
23rd Dec - 17,834 (1.15 x pw)
30th Dec - 22,713 (1.27 x pw)
6th Jan - 27,727 (1.22 x pw) (Lockdown 6th January)
13th Jan - 32,689 (1.18 x pw)
20th Jan - 33,886 (1.04 x pw)
27th Jan - 30,846 (0.91 x pw)
3rd Feb - 26,374 (0.86 x pw)
10th Feb - 20,926 (0.79 x pw)
17th Feb - 16,458 (0.79 x pw)
24th Feb - 13,007 (0.79 x pw)
3rd Mar - 9,594 (0.74 x pw)
10th Mar - 6,945 (0.73 x pw)
17th Mar - 5,397 (0.77 x pw)
24th Mar - 4,005 (0.74 x pw)
31st Mar - 3,084 (0.77 x pw)
7th April - 2,486 (0.81 x pw)
14th April - 1,972 (0.79 x pw)
21st April - 1,609 (0.82 x pw)
28th April - 1,278 (0.79 x pw)
5th May - 1,032 (0.81 x pw)
12th May - 907 (0.88 x pw)
19th May - 757 (0.83 x pw)
26th May - 745 (0.98 x pw)
2nd June - 801 (1.08 x pw)
9th June - 876 (1.09 x pw)
16th June - 1,057 (1.21 x pw)
23rd June - 1,255 (1.19 x pw)
30th June - 1,500 (1.2 x pw)
7th July - 2,144 (1.43 x pw)
14th July - 3,110 (1.45 x pw)
21st July - 4,063 (1.31 x pw)
28th July - 5182 (1.28 x pw)
Another week of growth with a near 30% increase on the numbers in hospital in England, however it has to be noted that the increase is slower than in the Sept/Oct wave which shows an improvement on last year already. This will be a key phase for us to understand what happens now as we are in the second week of no restrictions, hopefully the drop in cases filters through to cases in hospital. We shouldn't forget that we have now had rising hospitalisations for 9 weeks so it continues to be a worry.
One thing to be aware of is when we have had higher rate rise and that appears, on the face of it, to have been when we had the football on which led to larger gatherings. This might have some bearing on whether or not restrictions will be placed on going to the match in a few weeks unfortunately.
Numbers having the 1st dose is limping on at 88.3% of the adult population now having been jabbed, with the double jab group now at over 70%. Having said that 150k 1st dose vaccinations yesterday is still a decent number and I am proud to say that my daughter will be in tomorrows stats as she had hers today, I was a 1 in 10 back in the 80s, she's a 1 in 150k today
. These are great figures but the unvaccinated appear to be making up the majority of the hospital visits from what is being said - it would really help if they had some actual data behind those statements though.
RE: UK Covid death toll - richbaggie - 07-28-2021
Another week on week drop which is great news as you'd expect the 19th to start having an effect by now.
A very sharp rise and then very sharp drop was seen in India with Delta. Looks like similar happening here. Spreads really quickly and moves on like a whirlwind wreaking havoc along way. Hopefully it's blowing itself out and talk of 100k a day plus will be way out.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 07-28-2021
I've always been dubious about case numbers Rich, the peak of the cases 12th July to 16th July (between 43k and 60k) are at the same time as we were testing about 1m per day. We're now testing about 800k a day with 27k a day cases (which has gone back up today btw). It really has too many variables thrown in, number of tests carried out, number of people with symptoms getting testing or going with the 'i don't want to know' approach in case it stops them working or going on holiday. I have relied on the hospitalisation data and will update the regional figures on Friday - a couple of the regions have plateaued over the past two or three days but that is too short a time span to read anything into.
There are definitely signs that it could be easing off but we need longer term trends to be certain otherwise we will get back to square 1. We've also still got to get to two weeks after the removal of restrictions to see what impact that will have.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Tom Joad - 07-28-2021
I would never normally post anything publicly like this, but beware, it is still out there. Mate lost his son to Covid last week, mid 30's. Out of the blue. Totally shocked. Just when I was thinking it was safe TBH. Sandwell area. Take care, there is some way yet to go.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 07-28-2021
(07-28-2021, 04:53 PM)Tom Joad Wrote: I would never normally post anything publicly like this, but beware, it is still out there. Mate lost his son to Covid last week, mid 30's. Out of the blue. Totally shocked. Just when I was thinking it was safe TBH. Sandwell area. Take care, there is some way yet to go.
That is a chilling reminder Tom and sorry for your mate's loss - I can't even begin to imagine how he feels. This really is a fucker and we need to treat it very cautiously.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 07-30-2021
(07-27-2021, 08:01 AM)Protheroe Wrote:(07-27-2021, 07:52 AM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote: https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/more-half-covid-patients-hospital-24623148
Yes, it looks like the 40% figure I was quoting a couple of weeks ago was a substantial underestimate.
Or now proven to be rubbish - NHS have released data on the subject: Up to 23%
And within that 23% there are people admitted for conditions that have been made worse by covid. As stated before whether or not they are in for covid they will put greater pressure on the hospitals because they have to be separated from the non-covid population in hospital.
What frustrates me in all of this is the reason for the mirror (in this case) or the Torygraph mainly is that they are doing it with an agenda to open up without considering the risks. They are being so agenda driven that they are exaggerating their point with worst case scenario statistics. In order for us to navigate through this safely we need to have facts, not agendas.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 07-30-2021
(07-23-2021, 03:13 PM)baggy1 Wrote:(07-19-2021, 12:12 PM)baggy1 Wrote: North East and Yorkshire: 48%; 23%; 38%; 88%; 55%; 40%; 8% (1111)
North West: 51%; 4%; 20%; 26%; 23%; 5%; 5% (870)
Midlands: 22%; 14%; 34%; 65%; 51%; 35%; 9% (931)
East of England: 22%; 14%; 34%; 32%; 68%; 67%; 20% (361)
London: 10%; -1%; 13%; 35%; 34%; 36%; 30% (1029)
South West: 100%: 72%; 44%; 18%; 73%; 40%; 31% (333)
South East: 28%; 12%; 47%; 69%; 59%; 29%; 41% (476)
Another week where all regions saw an increase in the numbers in hospital but a possible green shoot in amongst that of the North West only seeing a 5% increase for the week (referencing KKC's West to East transmission). All regions bar 2 had a slower rate of increase than previously with London and East of England both staying pretty stable. We've now had 6 weeks of increase in all regions but there is a slowdown going on - hopefully that will translate next week into the 1st region for a while to see a fall in the numbers in hospital.
A quick update on the regional figures for England. Most regions are showing a slowdown in the increase of hospitalisations with 3 regions down to single digit % increases. The data for the last few days of the week is also good news showing a plateauing in most regions. This is still a situation where we have to be careful but the increases are definitely slowing down, we might see regions having falling numbers next week. Reasons to be positive but cautiously.