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RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 07-27-2021
Sorry if I came across a bit petulant there bb, the added problem is that covid beds take up more space than normal ward beds which means that there is less room in the hospital for non-covid beds and therefore less opportunity to get non-covid procedures completed.
Believe me, I'm as pissed off as everyone and need to get back into the office, or to the match, or go to the pub safely, but until we recognise that we don't fully understand everything with this yet and need to tread cautiously. The 'ah well, they probably caught it in hospital' line gives people the thought process that they are safe in the pubs, or in crowds and downplays the problem. This isn't 'cowering' to quote Say and Proth, this is just treading cautiously into the future rather than jumping in and finding ourselves pushed back to something 'irreversible'.
We are in a much better position than we have been for 18 months, deaths are down to 'normal' levels, hospitalisations are going up but not out of control and we are getting back to normal. Let's not consider this over though, we're basically at or around d-day, we still have some way to go before VE day.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Protheroe - 07-27-2021
(07-27-2021, 11:51 AM)baggy1 Wrote: "Not as far as I know"
"Not as far as I know" in the sense that I had to have a Covid Test befor a recent procedure as did everyone else I know who's been into hospital in the last year. That sort "Not as far as I know".
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 07-27-2021
(07-27-2021, 12:41 PM)Protheroe Wrote:(07-27-2021, 11:51 AM)baggy1 Wrote: "Not as far as I know"
"Not as far as I know" in the sense that I had to have a Covid Test befor a recent procedure as did everyone else I know who's been into hospital in the last year. That sort "Not as far as I know".
And you extrapolated that to the whole population. In recent weeks, I've been to Heartlands three times and Good Hope once, my daughter had to go to Solihull this week and on none of those occasions did we have to have tests.
Also, as you use private hospitals exclusively from what you have told us, which aren't included in the data btw, might I suggest that is part of the reason (i.e. they don't want you in if you've got covid) and not to be confused with you arriving at a hospital with breathing difficulties and then testing positive (because the ambulance crew didn't have the time to swab your tonsils).
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggiebuckster - 07-27-2021
(07-27-2021, 12:32 PM)baggy1 Wrote: Sorry if I came across a bit petulant there bb, the added problem is that covid beds take up more space than normal ward beds which means that there is less room in the hospital for non-covid beds and therefore less opportunity to get non-covid procedures completed.
Believe me, I'm as pissed off as everyone and need to get back into the office, or to the match, or go to the pub safely, but until we recognise that we don't fully understand everything with this yet and need to tread cautiously. The 'ah well, they probably caught it in hospital' line gives people the thought process that they are safe in the pubs, or in crowds and downplays the problem. This isn't 'cowering' to quote Say and Proth, this is just treading cautiously into the future rather than jumping in and finding ourselves pushed back to something 'irreversible'.
We are in a much better position than we have been for 18 months, deaths are down to 'normal' levels, hospitalisations are going up but not out of control and we are getting back to normal. Let's not consider this over though, we're basically at or around d-day, we still have some way to go before VE day.
No worries. It barely registered as petulance to be honest. We all look at things differently and this forum generally allows opinions to be aired. I doubt anyone is happy with the last 18 months and we have all shown frustration at times but ultimately we all want this whole period to be confined to history as soon as possible.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Protheroe - 07-27-2021
(07-27-2021, 12:47 PM)baggy1 Wrote: And you extrapolated that to the whole population. In recent weeks, I've been to Heartlands three times and Good Hope once, my daughter had to go to Solihull this week and on none of those occasions did we have to have tests.
Might I suggest that's a problem that could've been forseen by the NHS then
Never mind, keep paying your tax and clapping for them.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 07-27-2021
(07-27-2021, 02:54 PM)Protheroe Wrote:(07-27-2021, 12:47 PM)baggy1 Wrote: And you extrapolated that to the whole population. In recent weeks, I've been to Heartlands three times and Good Hope once, my daughter had to go to Solihull this week and on none of those occasions did we have to have tests.
Might I suggest that's a problem that could've been forseen by the NHS then
Never mind, keep paying your tax and clapping for them.
So you were using your private hospital examples as supporting evidence for a story about the NHS. Unfortunately that probably explains why you are so out of touch and kilter with this whole pandemic. Good job we don't have people like you running the country.... oh, hold on, fucks sake that's where we've gone wrong
RE: UK Covid death toll - Borin' Baggie - 07-27-2021
(07-27-2021, 02:54 PM)Protheroe Wrote:(07-27-2021, 12:47 PM)baggy1 Wrote: And you extrapolated that to the whole population. In recent weeks, I've been to Heartlands three times and Good Hope once, my daughter had to go to Solihull this week and on none of those occasions did we have to have tests.
Might I suggest that's a problem that could've been forseen by the NHS then
Never mind, keep paying your tax and clapping for them.
Private healthcare in this country is planned and preventative, it's very easy to implement this when everything you do is planned in advance.
Why do you think private healthcare providers bump you off to the NHS whenever things get complicated or a reactive approach is required? Because it costs them money, so they don't bother.
I'd also like to point out that private sector healthcare consultants are also very likely involved in the NHS.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 07-27-2021
Proth thinks he's got some sort of magic wand because he pays for something. I snapped one of my bicep tendons a couple of months ago and within two weeks I'd had an triage appointment, x-ray, mri, seen two consultants and a specialist all on the NHS, since then I've had two physio appointments and none of it at any extra cost to what I've already paid through my taxes. He does like to make this small group of strangers think he is something special and better off than us with no clue of our lifestyles or wealth. It's a bit sad really.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Protheroe - 07-28-2021
(07-27-2021, 03:05 PM)baggy1 Wrote: So you were using your private hospital examples as supporting evidence for a story about the NHS.
No, both actually - but don't let that stop you jumping to conclusions.
Clearly some NHS trusts are better than others.
(07-27-2021, 07:27 PM)baggy1 Wrote: He does like to make this small group of strangers think he is something special and better off than us with no clue of our lifestyles or wealth. It's a bit sad really.
No, actually he watched the appalling treatment his now deceased parents had on the NHS with horror and changed his spending priorities in an attempt to mitigate that risk for him, his wife and kids.
Sad? Yes, sad that I felt I had to do it to protect my familiy. Sad that most people in this country don't have the choice. Sad that it's impossible to criticise the NHS despite it's abject failings and multiple cover-ups.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Birdman1811 - 07-28-2021
(07-28-2021, 11:15 AM)Protheroe Wrote:(07-27-2021, 03:05 PM)baggy1 Wrote: So you were using your private hospital examples as supporting evidence for a story about the NHS.
No, both actually - but don't let that stop you jumping to conclusions.
Clearly some NHS trusts are better than others.
(07-27-2021, 07:27 PM)baggy1 Wrote: He does like to make this small group of strangers think he is something special and better off than us with no clue of our lifestyles or wealth. It's a bit sad really.
No, actually he watched the appalling treatment his now deceased parents had on the NHS with horror and changed his spending priorities in an attempt to mitigate that risk for him, his wife and kids.
Sad? Yes, sad that I felt I had to do it to protect my familiy. Sad that most people in this country don't have the choice. Sad that it's impossible to criticise the NHS despite it's abject failings and multiple cover-ups.
Very true, and part of the problem.
If the trust is well managed and well organised, there are less problems. When it's not you have some very serious problems.
By the way, private doesn't treat emergency, you'll still need the NHS for emergency treatment, which us why it's so important, if you've been let down, kick up a fuss. I didn't and really wish I had with what I know now.