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RE: UK Covid death toll - Ossian - 07-15-2021
The absences are based on the results of lateral flow tests, in some cases confirmed by PCRs, so yes they're Covid positive, which I think counts as 'ill'.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Derek Hardballs - 07-15-2021
(07-15-2021, 08:31 AM)Protheroe Wrote:(07-15-2021, 08:08 AM)Ossian Wrote: Year 10 at the school where my wife works has been closed down by Public Health England; the threshold was actually passed a few days ago and the school year is over for them. Year 9 is borderline in terms of the number of isolations and absenteeisms, and really should also have been shut down by now. Year 11s obviously finished a while back anyway.
The incidence of positive tests has gone through the roof since that brief period of relaxation of wearing masks; it's impossible not to make the connection. Next week is the one where students - those who are still able to attend - will be cramming maskless onto coaches and heading off to places like Alton Towers.
Are any of the kids actually ill though?
You’ve not heard of Long Covid in children then?
RE: UK Covid death toll - Ossian - 07-15-2021
To be honest, Derek, the question was a pointless deflection.
Even if every one of those kids is completely asymptomatic, that doesn't mean they won't be passing Covid to their peer groups, or siblings - some of whom may well be in different year groups, or even different schools; or parents who may be in multiple places of employment; or school staff who have contacts and families of their own - including unvaccinated children.
The relaxation of the wearing of masks in schools was yet another example of Johnson courting brief, short-term popularity, followed by the inevitable backtrack. All he needed to do was hold his nerve for a few more weeks until the summer shutdown; if that meant erring on the side of over-caution, so what?
RE: UK Covid death toll - Protheroe - 07-15-2021
(07-14-2021, 05:38 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:(07-14-2021, 05:23 PM)Protheroe Wrote: Lifting restrictions is a political decision? Who knew?
With the caveat they are supposed to be following the science they aren’t, they are following the Tory herd!
All the scientists I see on the TV news would have us in some sort of permanent twilight of Lockdown, there's an old Etonian 'expert' on today suggesting we can be taxed into being thin and 70% of economists believe global price inflation is "transitory".
(07-15-2021, 08:36 AM)Ossian Wrote: The absences are based on the results of lateral flow tests, in some cases confirmed by PCRs, so yes they're Covid positive, which I think counts as 'ill'.
No it doesn't. It counts as infected.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Ossian - 07-15-2021
Okay, we'll play semantics between ill and infected: I'm pretty sure those who are infected can infect others; in fact I'd go as far as to say that's how the pandemic has worked.
Keeping in place the simple measure of mask-wearing in schools for the remaining few weeks from mid May to the third week in July would only qualify as a "permanent twilight of lockdown" for someone with a strangely skewed perspective.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Derek Hardballs - 07-15-2021
(07-15-2021, 09:51 AM)Protheroe Wrote:(07-14-2021, 05:38 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:(07-14-2021, 05:23 PM)Protheroe Wrote: Lifting restrictions is a political decision? Who knew?
With the caveat they are supposed to be following the science they aren’t, they are following the Tory herd!
All the scientists I see on the TV news would have us in some sort of permanent twilight of Lockdown, there's an old Etonian 'expert' on today suggesting we can be taxed into being thin and 70% of economists believe global price inflation is "transitory".
(07-15-2021, 08:36 AM)Ossian Wrote: The absences are based on the results of lateral flow tests, in some cases confirmed by PCRs, so yes they're Covid positive, which I think counts as 'ill'.
No it doesn't. It counts as infected.
Children do get ill from Covid, they re also vectors for transmission to other more vulnerable members of their family and the wider community, who may not be able to have the jab, or the vaccine's effectiveness is reduced due to a variety of autoimmune problems. Are you related to Jeremy Corbyn's brother by any chance?
It was and is an utterly irresponsible decision to not keep very minor things such as wearing a mask or keeping your distance in place, backed up by law. It's also completely counter-productive.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Protheroe - 07-16-2021
(07-15-2021, 10:32 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: Children do get ill from Covid, they re also vectors for transmission to other more vulnerable members of their family and the wider community, who may not be able to have the jab, or the vaccine's effectiveness is reduced due to a variety of autoimmune problems. Are you related to Jeremy Corbyn's brother by any chance?
It was and is an utterly irresponsible decision to not keep very minor things such as wearing a mask or keeping your distance in place, backed up by law. It's also completely counter-productive.
Yes, I'm sure some children do get "ill" from Covid. I haven't actually heard of one getting "ill" locally despite P-Minor going to the largest primary school in the County and P-Major having had the shittiest first year at secondary school possible.
Yes, I'm sure they are vectors of transmission, but considering that virtually everyone over the age of 40 has had - or has been offered - 2 vaccinations then the risk is manageable. We cannot lock ourselves up idefinitely for the clincially vulnerable.
I also think the government's handling of the 19th July has been ludicrous. No longer mandating masking by law, but asking venues to make their own minds up risks A&E units being populated by otherwise healthy people presenting with broken noses, and possibly catching Covid whilst in the hospital petri dish.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 07-19-2021
(07-09-2021, 03:19 PM)baggy1 Wrote:(07-05-2021, 08:50 AM)baggy1 Wrote: North East and Yorkshire: 48%; 23%; 38%; 88%; 55% (732)
North West: 51%; 4%; 20%; 26%; 23% (794)
Midlands: 22%; 14%; 34%; 65%; 51% (634)
East of England: 22%; 14%; 34%; 32%; 68% (181)
London: 10%; -1%; 13%; 35%; 34% (583)
South West: 100%: 72%; 44%; 18%; 73% (182)
South East: 28%; 12%; 47%; 69%; 59% (261)
Adding the regional increases for the week onto the data provided last week. For context the actual numbers in hospital as of today are included. Still growth across all regions but the numbers are relatively low still. Midlands, South East and the North East have the biggest % increases week on week but the SE number is small meaning it easier to have big % increases.
A quick regional update on freedom day showing that we are still experiencing growth across all regions ranging from 23% to 73% (and again %s can look worse than they are; that 23% is 146 extra in hospital and the 73% is 77). The message is that there is still growth in every region and it isn't slowing down to any significant degree unfortunately. We've also had growth now in every region for 5 weeks and prior to that it was best described as growth in most areas. All of these figures are as of Friday 16th.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Baggybenny - 07-19-2021
We cannot lock ourselves up idefinitely for the clincially vulnerable. (sic)
So says our resident Nazi
RE: UK Covid death toll - Ossian - 07-20-2021
Cases in Scotland appear to be on a downward curve and are now a third lower than the level of two weeks ago. Scottish schoolchildren break up, on average, two weeks ahead of their English counterparts.
Be interesting to see if there's a similar pattern in England after this week is over.