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RE: Flag shaggers - baggy1 - 08-22-2025
Dekka is a one man protest party who cannot see the irony of him making the same post in every thread and the saying ‘repeat ad nauseam’.
RE: Flag shaggers - Derek Hardballs - 08-22-2025
(08-22-2025, 11:25 AM)tHEgLASSdOORS Wrote:(08-22-2025, 11:09 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:(08-22-2025, 10:18 AM)Tom Joad Wrote:(08-22-2025, 10:02 AM)WorcsWBA Wrote: Anyone who thinks these flags are being put up as part of a sudden burst of national pride is deluded. It's all about racism - no more, no less.
It's pathetic that politicians are falling over each other giving it tacit support based on a fake premise. They know better than anyone what the reason for it is, but are too cowardly to do anything about it. As a result it'll now become endemic right across England and those racists of a more violent disposition will take it as a green light to commit further despicable acts.
Or they could just leave the whole thing to run its course and go away meanwhile addressing the underlying issues.
The flags may stop, but the populist right wing bandwagon will roll on. The only voice being heard currently in the media is Reform’s. So what’s plan by the current administration? Labour’s lurch to the right is not convincing anyone and trying to cosplay Tory and Reform has seen their approval rating pummel to -56 in the latest YouGov survey.
It’s as impressive as it is depressing that the Labour leadership has managed to alienate both the left and right in this country and are currently left with a centre right rump of middle aged former New Labour supporters who have grown comfortably off and forgotten those left behind.
Something, something working people… repeat ad nauseam.
I’m amazed to hear what you think any party in this position would’ve been able to do to turnaround those people’s economic fortunes in the space of a year and a bit.
Starmer isn’t David Copperfield Derek
That’s not the point though, the point is Labour have no story of change or hope and this has created a vacuum that Reform has seized on and so will Corbyn. The only message coming from No10 is, it’s really, really, difficult and some divisive guff about working and presumably non-working people.
They have lost control of the story and that’s just as important in modern politics as delivery.
(08-22-2025, 11:43 AM)baggy1 Wrote: Dekka is a one man protest party who cannot see the irony of him making the same post in every thread and the saying ‘repeat ad nauseam’.
Oh look it’s the picked upon B1
RE: Flag shaggers - baggy1 - 08-22-2025
So you wanted them to put some bullshit out? The story is that right wing groups have organised around local issues and are highlighting them in order to manipulate the situation - putting up flags everywhere so that councils will remove them and set themselves up to be called unpatriotic and having preference for others (you saw the way the lighting of the council house was misrepresented), or focussing on a young girl being abused in epping therefore the migrant hotel must be closed when there were 107 instances of violence and sexual offences in epping in June alone https://www.police.uk/pu/your-area/essex-police/epping-and-ongar/?tab=CrimeMap - the vast majority without any mob waving flags outside someones home.
Don't think that people don't see that (apart from the terminally stupid who are the noisy ones).
RE: Flag shaggers - Ted Maul - 08-22-2025
Dekka, based on the political persuasions you share on here can I ask why Corbyn filling the space vacated by the Labour party is a bad thing? He's easily the political figure in this country most closely aligned to your own opinions.
RE: Flag shaggers - tHEgLASSdOORS - 08-22-2025
Story? What on earth are you on about. People don’t need stories they need housing, security and healthcare. These things take time. If you want a story, Tommy R is probably yer man
RE: Flag shaggers - Protheroe - 08-22-2025
(08-22-2025, 01:03 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: They have lost control of the story and that’s just as important in modern politics as delivery.
In government the story doesn't matter if you don't have the means to pay for it. Labour doesn't have any money now, nor will it have any for the remainder of the Parliament. I suspect we're in for a period of strife the like we've not seen since 1974-79.
You have always been unrealistic in your expectations of what government can do, but never more so than now.
Inflation means we're largely fucked for the forseeable future.
RE: Flag shaggers - Derek Hardballs - 08-22-2025
(08-22-2025, 01:19 PM)tHEgLASSdOORS Wrote: Story? What on earth are you on about. People don’t need stories they need housing, security and healthcare. These things take time. If you want a story, Tommy R is probably yer man
Yes they do need those things, but if you think they are going to get a decade (let’s be honest most of their plans are not achievable in one term) to achieve this with the messaging they are putting out then you’re going to be very disappointed. Politics is always about setting out a story or vision, it’s not just about long term plans that may help people in five or ten years time. Maybe that’s not fair, but since when was politics fair?
Let’s put it a New Labour way, why was Alastair Campbell such a significant figure in the Labour Party if controlling the narrative wasn’t important for a government? I said long before Starmer got elected that the message ‘things can only get a bit better if we’re lucky’ will bite them on the arse and so it’s proving.
(08-22-2025, 01:13 PM)Ted Maul Wrote: Dekka, based on the political persuasions you share on here can I ask why Corbyn filling the space vacated by the Labour party is a bad thing? He's easily the political figure in this country most closely aligned to your own opinions.
I never said it was a bad thing I just said Labours lack of story has created a vacuum which other parties will fill. That said a Reform government would be appalling, but again the abandonment of the left of the Labour Party by Starmer and his advisors has created the problem of splitting the vote no one else.
RE: Flag shaggers - baggy1 - 08-22-2025
You've been moaning about 'the narrative' for years on how politicians promise things they will never deliver. When we get a party that doesn't give the bullshit out in spades then you hanker back for the old days of sunlit uplands.
RE: Flag shaggers - Borin' Baggie - 08-22-2025
https://x.com/Duffyyyy_EFC/status/1958837443471581265/photo/1
Gud bevare kongen!
RE: Flag shaggers - CarlosCorbewrong - 08-22-2025
Maybe the Danes are reminding us that they conquered this land.
In researching that bit of silliness I did stumble upon this:
Danes conquered England in the early 11th century, a process that occurred in two main phases: King Sweyn Forkbeard conquered the country by 1013, but died in 1014, leading to the return of the English king, Æthelred. Sweyn's son, Cnut the Great, then won a decisive victory at the Battle of Assandun in 1016