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RE: UK Covid death toll - Protheroe - 07-06-2021
(07-06-2021, 05:49 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: Johnson has clearly thrown the most vulnerable under a bus
The "most vulnerable" have all been vaccinated or offered a vaccination. Perhaps now the NHS might be able to treat their other comorbidities / vulnerabilities?
Everyone is perfectly at liberty to make their own decisions about social distancing or wearing a mask . I shan't as I've made my own assessment of the risks I face in daily life.
I truly hope we don't end up in a situation where the wearing of a mask is seen as some sort of virtue, but from what I read on the Twitter this morning I sense that's the direction we may be headed. I should also say that there seems to be a strong correlation between #FBPE nutters and #MaskShaggers - it's almost as though they crave being told what to do by a regime they didn't vote for. Odd.
Anyway, as a I said. Make your own mind up Dekka, but don't force your choice on the rest of us.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Derek Hardballs - 07-06-2021
(07-06-2021, 09:45 AM)Protheroe Wrote:(07-06-2021, 05:49 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: Johnson has clearly thrown the most vulnerable under a bus
The "most vulnerable" have all been vaccinated or offered a vaccination. Perhaps now the NHS might be able to treat their other comorbidities / vulnerabilities?
Everyone is perfectly at liberty to make their own decisions about social distancing or wearing a mask . I shan't as I've made my own assessment of the risks I face in daily life.
I truly hope we don't end up in a situation where the wearing of a mask is seen as some sort of virtue, but from what I read on the Twitter this morning I sense that's the direction we may be headed. I should also say that there seems to be a strong correlation between #FBPE nutters and #MaskShaggers - it's almost as though they crave being told what to do by a regime they didn't vote for. Odd.
Anyway, as a I said. Make your own mind up Dekka, but don't force your choice on the rest of us.
Utter bollocks! Not all vulnerable have been vaccinated.
If we are going down that route with correlations there seems to be a link between Covididiots, libertarians, flag shaggers, with stupid names like Patriot 123, mostly Brexit, UKIP / Tory types, who have been against even minor restrictions for at least a year.
Heaven forbid someone might wear a mask to try and keep others safe. What’s the opposite of this?
RE: UK Covid death toll - Protheroe - 07-06-2021
(07-06-2021, 09:55 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: Utter bollocks! Not all vulnerable have been vaccinated.
Then why not? We can't hold back the reopening of society for a tiny minority who for whatever reason cannot or will not receive a vaccination.
If you're seriously that 'vulnerable' then I doubt you're going to rock up in the pub next to me, sit next to me at the Albion, bump into me whilst buying some lovely fresh British strawberries at Sainsburys in Canley, roll around on the grass with me at Moseley Funk Festival or pack into a commuter train into London with me.
My Mum had Stage 4 cancer for 6 years before her death last May. All through her illness she was medically vulnerable but never let it compromised her freedom or anybody else's. In many ways I'm glad she didn't have to live through the last year, as she'd have hated the restrictions put on her life and everyone else's. I'm a product of that mindset, like I say make your own mind up on what you do, but after almost 18 months of this shit and largely doing what I'm told I've had it, I'm out. Out out.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Derek Hardballs - 07-06-2021
(07-06-2021, 10:14 AM)Protheroe Wrote:(07-06-2021, 09:55 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: Utter bollocks! Not all vulnerable have been vaccinated.
Then why not? We can't hold back the reopening of society for a tiny minority who for whatever reason cannot or will not receive a vaccination.
If you're seriously that 'vulnerable' then I doubt you're going to rock up in the pub next to me, sit next to me at the Albion, bump into me whilst buying some lovely fresh British strawberries at Sainsburys in Canley, roll around on the grass with me at Moseley Funk Festival or pack into a commuter train into London with me.
My Mum had Stage 4 cancer for 6 years before her death last May. All through her illness she was medically vulnerable but never let it compromised her freedom or anybody else's. In many ways I'm glad she didn't have to live through the last year, as she'd have hated the restrictions put on her life and everyone else's. I'm a product of that mindset, like I say make your own mind up on what you do, but after almost 18 months of this shit and largely doing what I'm told I've had it, I'm out. Out out.
You don’t have a clue what you’re talking about. If someone has a vulnerable person that cannot get the vaccine then they either have to put them at risk to work, shop, go to events etc. They get no support since shielding was stopped, they haven’t even been given the courtesy of being acknowledged by Johnson and co or given any idea if there is a road map for them. Do you think vulnerable people live in a bubble? That they don’t have people around them that don’t have to work, that don’t have to go to school, that don’t have financial responsibilities, that don’t have mental and physical health needs? They are no better off than they were 18mths ago.
I’m not asking anyone to stay in lockdown etc, we haven’t been for months anyway. I would suggest that allowing all restrictions to be removed at this time is a reckless gamble by a reckless PM who has shown absolutely no respect for anyone but himself throughout his life.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Protheroe - 07-06-2021
(07-06-2021, 10:33 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: I would suggest that allowing all restrictions to be removed at this time is a reckless gamble by a reckless PM
Like I said, you make your own mind up. If your visceral hatred towards Boris is clouding your judgement that's not an issue I can help you to resolve.
On the face of it even the scaremongerer in chief Neil Ferguson seems sanguine about reopening.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Derek Hardballs - 07-06-2021
(07-06-2021, 10:48 AM)Protheroe Wrote:(07-06-2021, 10:33 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: I would suggest that allowing all restrictions to be removed at this time is a reckless gamble by a reckless PM
Like I said, you make your own mind up. If your visceral hatred towards Boris is clouding your judgement that's not an issue I can help you to resolve.
On the face of it even the scaremongerer in chief Neil Ferguson seems sanguine about reopening.
Clouding my judgement? I think not trusting a word the bloke has to say shows very good judgment. I appreciate you showed none when you campaigned for him.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Sliced - 07-06-2021
Given the case to death ratio at the moment I think a relaxation of the restrictions is welcome, although to the point of allowing full stadiums IMO is reckless.
What I definitely don't agree with is the YOU'RE FREE! GO OUT AND DO WHATEVER THE HELL YOU WANT! Freedom day type message. If you're going to give people personal responsibilities, the message should still be "be cautious". It paints the wrong picture.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Protheroe - 07-06-2021
(07-06-2021, 10:50 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: I appreciate you showed none when you campaigned for him.
He was the only available vehicle for getting Brexit done. What else would you have proposed I did?
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 07-06-2021
(07-06-2021, 11:16 AM)Protheroe Wrote:(07-06-2021, 10:50 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: I appreciate you showed none when you campaigned for him.
He was the only available vehicle for getting Brexit done without a 2nd referendum. What else would you have proposed I did?
Fixed that for you, but lets not have this descend into another Brexit debate please.
I'd say that we have to look at the release of restrictions in relation to what has achieved so far. We have reduced the risk of death greatly by the vaccination programme, that has been shown in comparison with similar cases / hospitalisations at other points in the pandemic, this would lead us to reducing restrictions greatly. The 2nd issue is that we have also reduced the amount in hospital with serious illness in comparison to case numbers at other points, however we haven't removed that completely yet and with numbers in hospital rising then it seems foolish to remove all restrictions at this point.
It would be slightly better if the government would support businesses that want to continue to have some restrictions in place through the law, for example, if you want to continue to run a bar with only table service and masks to be worn when moving around, it would be helpful to that business to know they have the backing of the law if some gobshite decides he doesn't want to comply with those rules. At the moment the reliance has been placed on staff of the premises to deal with as the police would have no powers.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Ted Maul - 07-06-2021
(07-06-2021, 11:36 AM)baggy1 Wrote:(07-06-2021, 11:16 AM)Protheroe Wrote:(07-06-2021, 10:50 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: I appreciate you showed none when you campaigned for him.
He was the only available vehicle for getting Brexit done without a 2nd referendum. What else would you have proposed I did?
Fixed that for you, but lets not have this descend into another Brexit debate please.
I'd say that we have to look at the release of restrictions in relation to what has achieved so far. We have reduced the risk of death greatly by the vaccination programme, that has been shown in comparison with similar cases / hospitalisations at other points in the pandemic, this would lead us to reducing restrictions greatly. The 2nd issue is that we have also reduced the amount in hospital with serious illness in comparison to case numbers at other points, however we haven't removed that completely yet and with numbers in hospital rising then it seems foolish to remove all restrictions at this point.
It would be slightly better if the government would support businesses that want to continue to have some restrictions in place through the law, for example, if you want to continue to run a bar with only table service and masks to be worn when moving around, it would be helpful to that business to know they have the backing of the law if some gobshite decides he doesn't want to comply with those rules. At the moment the reliance has been placed on staff of the premises to deal with as the police would have no powers.
I'm afraid what you're asking there is for this Government to shoulder some responsibility for something and it simply will never happen.