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RE: UK Covid death toll - richbaggie - 06-04-2021
(06-04-2021, 07:21 AM)Ted Maul Wrote: Can't see the removal of restrictions on the 21st, I'm not optimistic for any kind of summer. Quite how they seem to have fucked it up again is staggering.
I think the worst that will happen is a continuation of where we are now, which will give us a decent summer. Don't think there's much chance of going backwards the deeper we go into vaccination take up.
One thing to note is whilst there has been a slight uptick in people going into hospitals, they are coming out quicker and illness is less severe. Numbers on ventilators hasn't increased. Another good gauge of how effective vaccines are.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Sliced - 06-06-2021
(06-04-2021, 10:18 AM)richbaggie Wrote:(06-04-2021, 07:21 AM)Ted Maul Wrote: Can't see the removal of restrictions on the 21st, I'm not optimistic for any kind of summer. Quite how they seem to have fucked it up again is staggering.
I think the worst that will happen is a continuation of where we are now, which will give us a decent summer. Don't think there's much chance of going backwards the deeper we go into vaccination take up.
One thing to note is whilst there has been a slight uptick in people going into hospitals, they are coming out quicker and illness is less severe. Numbers on ventilators hasn't increased. Another good gauge of how effective vaccines are.
Absolutely right. The number of cases can increase tenfold but if the number on ventilators decreases then this is a more important statistic
RE: UK Covid death toll - Derek Hardballs - 06-06-2021
That doesn’t solve the issues of allowing a new variant to run amok across the country and the danger it allows the virus to mutate to a more resistant strain of Covid. Also it doesn’t help those who cannot have the vaccine who are vulnerable or their families and it doesn’t help those who are younger who could suffer from Long Covid. We should not be seeing the vaccine as a panacea solution to the problem and simply ‘going back to normal’
RE: UK Covid death toll - tiptontown - 06-06-2021
(06-06-2021, 10:02 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: That doesn’t solve the issues of allowing a new variant to run amok across the country and the danger it allows the virus to mutate to a more resistant strain of Covid. Also it doesn’t help those who cannot have the vaccine who are vulnerable or their families and it doesn’t help those who are younger who could suffer from Long Covid. We should not be seeing the vaccine as a panacea solution to the problem and simply ‘going back to normal’
The thing is Derek if the vaccine doesn't help us get back to some kind of normality I'm not sure what will.
We have got to learn to live with the virus and that could include the vaccine being tweaked to combat new variants just like the flu vaccine.
I'm not against delaying the June 21st deadline, but for the sake of peoples jobs and livelihood's amongst other things, we do need to get back to some kind of normality this year.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Derek Hardballs - 06-06-2021
(06-06-2021, 10:25 AM)tiptontown Wrote:(06-06-2021, 10:02 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: That doesn’t solve the issues of allowing a new variant to run amok across the country and the danger it allows the virus to mutate to a more resistant strain of Covid. Also it doesn’t help those who cannot have the vaccine who are vulnerable or their families and it doesn’t help those who are younger who could suffer from Long Covid. We should not be seeing the vaccine as a panacea solution to the problem and simply ‘going back to normal’
The thing is Derek if the vaccine doesn't help us get back to some kind of normality I'm not sure what will.
We have got to learn to live with the virus and that could include the vaccine being tweaked to combat new variants just like the flu vaccine.
I'm not against delaying the June 21st deadline, but for the sake of peoples jobs and livelihood's amongst other things, we do need to get back to some kind of normality this year.
The vaccine is part of the solution but we can’t just think it solves the problem. It’s going to take at least 9mths to vaccinate the country let alone the world and then what? Revaccinate again in similar fashion 6-12mths time? It’s going to still need some way of suppressing the virus through other measures like testing and targeting areas that are hotspots.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Birdman1811 - 06-06-2021
The idea of a lockdown is to give you time to set up adequate track and trace. We failed to do that, and have consistently failed to put it in place.
We can't lockdown again, trust me, there are businesses threatening to go to extreme lengths to not shut again, more and more people are willing to react violently if told they have to. And who can blame them really? This is peoples, very limited lives we're talking about here, we're here for about 70 years, we've spent over one of those now under various states of lockdown, told who we can see and where we can go. In a supposedly free democracy. The Governments failure to do what it's supposed to do, basically implement correct track and trace and control the borders in and out has fucked everything up.
Thankfully so long as hospitalisations stay low the problem is minor. If they start climbing heavily again, then problems really start.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Protheroe - 06-08-2021
(06-06-2021, 11:49 AM)Birdman1811 Wrote: The idea of a lockdown is to give you time to set up adequate track and trace.
No it wasn't.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Birdman1811 - 06-08-2021
(06-08-2021, 08:21 AM)Protheroe Wrote:(06-06-2021, 11:49 AM)Birdman1811 Wrote: The idea of a lockdown is to give you time to set up adequate track and trace.
No it wasn't.
That is the idea, maybe not our governments, but the generally accepted idea for a lockdown is to get track and trace set up.
We never did.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 06-08-2021
(06-08-2021, 08:44 AM)Birdman1811 Wrote:(06-08-2021, 08:21 AM)Protheroe Wrote:(06-06-2021, 11:49 AM)Birdman1811 Wrote: The idea of a lockdown is to give you time to set up adequate track and trace.
No it wasn't.
That is the idea, maybe not our governments, but the generally accepted idea for a lockdown is to get track and trace set up.
We never did.
Birdy's right Proth, lockdown is the bluntest tool in the box to help reduce transmission, it really is a last resort when there is no other options. The reason it was entered into was to buy us time to set up the other tools to help, test and trace, vaccination programmes, purchase and roll out of PPE being the main three. We failed miserably on one of those, managed to scramble to get another and outperformed everyone on the vaccine programme.
One thing that is surprising me at the moment is how shit the information flow is recently on the government website. The BBC were reporting yesterday that there were 154 new patients in hospital, what they failed to notice was that was from the 1st of June. Currently for England the data is for the 4th June on those in hospital and 2nd on new admissions. At a point when information is critical into the publics understanding of what's going on this is pretty shit.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Borin' Baggie - 06-08-2021
(06-08-2021, 08:21 AM)Protheroe Wrote:(06-06-2021, 11:49 AM)Birdman1811 Wrote: The idea of a lockdown is to give you time to set up adequate track and trace.
No it wasn't.
It wasn't over here, it was in Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Taiwan.