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RE: UK Covid death toll - Borin' Baggie - 03-16-2021
(03-16-2021, 02:48 PM)Fido Wrote:(03-16-2021, 02:42 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:(03-16-2021, 02:34 PM)strawman Wrote:(03-16-2021, 02:27 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:(03-16-2021, 10:17 AM)Cunninghamismagic Wrote: So why then are the European Medicines Agency (EMA) - the EU's medicines regulator - meeting today to review the vaccine. Why have the likes of Macron been spreading anti Oxford vaccine nonsense? Lots of politics going on for me from EU member states.
The usual suspects trying to defend the indefensible though.
So it turns out that they were meeting today to say that there is no issue with the vaccine causing blood clots and that the member states that had blocked the AZ vaccine are wrong.
There we go.
Véronique Trillet-Lenoir, who is a French oncologist and an MEP, is asked by BBC News why the AstraZeneca vaccine is coming under more scrutiny than other authorised vaccines such as the Pfizer vaccine.
"We have maybe a specific regard on AstraZeneca. As you know, the firm did probably not fulfil all the commitments [it] made in the contracts with the EU. The vaccine is not that effective on the South African variant, so there are some warnings on these vaccines, which probably led the governments to be even more cautious on it."
No definitely nothing political at all
She's in Macron's party, hardly going to call her President out on his bollocks.
Agreed but I'm there are other options than "making yourself look a obfuscatory twat"
Isn't the whole point of getting into politics? Being an obfuscatory twat?
RE: UK Covid death toll - strawman - 03-16-2021
(03-16-2021, 02:42 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:(03-16-2021, 02:34 PM)strawman Wrote:(03-16-2021, 02:27 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:(03-16-2021, 10:17 AM)Cunninghamismagic Wrote: So why then are the European Medicines Agency (EMA) - the EU's medicines regulator - meeting today to review the vaccine. Why have the likes of Macron been spreading anti Oxford vaccine nonsense? Lots of politics going on for me from EU member states.
The usual suspects trying to defend the indefensible though.
So it turns out that they were meeting today to say that there is no issue with the vaccine causing blood clots and that the member states that had blocked the AZ vaccine are wrong.
There we go.
Véronique Trillet-Lenoir, who is a French oncologist and an MEP, is asked by BBC News why the AstraZeneca vaccine is coming under more scrutiny than other authorised vaccines such as the Pfizer vaccine.
"We have maybe a specific regard on AstraZeneca. As you know, the firm did probably not fulfil all the commitments [it] made in the contracts with the EU. The vaccine is not that effective on the South African variant, so there are some warnings on these vaccines, which probably led the governments to be even more cautious on it."
No definitely nothing political at all
She's in Macron's party, hardly going to call her President out on his bollocks.
Could have not mentioned it - seems a bit Freudian
RE: UK Covid death toll - Fido - 03-16-2021
(03-16-2021, 02:54 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:(03-16-2021, 02:48 PM)Fido Wrote:(03-16-2021, 02:42 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:(03-16-2021, 02:34 PM)strawman Wrote:(03-16-2021, 02:27 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote: So it turns out that they were meeting today to say that there is no issue with the vaccine causing blood clots and that the member states that had blocked the AZ vaccine are wrong.
There we go.
Véronique Trillet-Lenoir, who is a French oncologist and an MEP, is asked by BBC News why the AstraZeneca vaccine is coming under more scrutiny than other authorised vaccines such as the Pfizer vaccine.
"We have maybe a specific regard on AstraZeneca. As you know, the firm did probably not fulfil all the commitments [it] made in the contracts with the EU. The vaccine is not that effective on the South African variant, so there are some warnings on these vaccines, which probably led the governments to be even more cautious on it."
No definitely nothing political at all
She's in Macron's party, hardly going to call her President out on his bollocks.
Agreed but I'm there are other options than "making yourself look a obfuscatory twat"
Isn't the whole point of getting into politics? Being an obfuscatory twat?
Does seem that way given how many politicians reply to basic questions...
RE: UK Covid death toll - Borin' Baggie - 03-16-2021
(03-16-2021, 02:57 PM)strawman Wrote:(03-16-2021, 02:42 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:(03-16-2021, 02:34 PM)strawman Wrote:(03-16-2021, 02:27 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:(03-16-2021, 10:17 AM)Cunninghamismagic Wrote: So why then are the European Medicines Agency (EMA) - the EU's medicines regulator - meeting today to review the vaccine. Why have the likes of Macron been spreading anti Oxford vaccine nonsense? Lots of politics going on for me from EU member states.
The usual suspects trying to defend the indefensible though.
So it turns out that they were meeting today to say that there is no issue with the vaccine causing blood clots and that the member states that had blocked the AZ vaccine are wrong.
There we go.
Véronique Trillet-Lenoir, who is a French oncologist and an MEP, is asked by BBC News why the AstraZeneca vaccine is coming under more scrutiny than other authorised vaccines such as the Pfizer vaccine.
"We have maybe a specific regard on AstraZeneca. As you know, the firm did probably not fulfil all the commitments [it] made in the contracts with the EU. The vaccine is not that effective on the South African variant, so there are some warnings on these vaccines, which probably led the governments to be even more cautious on it."
No definitely nothing political at all
She's in Macron's party, hardly going to call her President out on his bollocks.
Could have not mentioned it - seems a bit Freudian
You suggesting that she's cheating, or wants to cheat, on her partner with the EU?
RE: UK Covid death toll - strawman - 03-16-2021
(03-16-2021, 03:11 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:(03-16-2021, 02:57 PM)strawman Wrote:(03-16-2021, 02:42 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:(03-16-2021, 02:34 PM)strawman Wrote:(03-16-2021, 02:27 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote: So it turns out that they were meeting today to say that there is no issue with the vaccine causing blood clots and that the member states that had blocked the AZ vaccine are wrong.
There we go.
Véronique Trillet-Lenoir, who is a French oncologist and an MEP, is asked by BBC News why the AstraZeneca vaccine is coming under more scrutiny than other authorised vaccines such as the Pfizer vaccine.
"We have maybe a specific regard on AstraZeneca. As you know, the firm did probably not fulfil all the commitments [it] made in the contracts with the EU. The vaccine is not that effective on the South African variant, so there are some warnings on these vaccines, which probably led the governments to be even more cautious on it."
No definitely nothing political at all
She's in Macron's party, hardly going to call her President out on his bollocks.
Could have not mentioned it - seems a bit Freudian
You suggesting that she's cheating, or wants to cheat, on her partner with the EU?
I wasn't particularly thinking about it in that context - more that it was a subconscious thought that she had to verbalise - but I like your idea better
RE: UK Covid death toll - strawman - 03-18-2021
[b]A review by the EU's medicines regulator has concluded the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine is "safe and effective", and its benefits outweigh the risks.[/b]
The European Medicines Agency (EMA) found the vaccine was "not associated" with a higher risk of blood clots.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 03-18-2021
(03-11-2021, 04:39 PM)baggy1 Wrote:(03-04-2021, 01:09 PM)baggy1 Wrote:(01-15-2021, 08:51 AM)baggy1 Wrote: 16th Sept - 929
23rd Sept - 1,439 (1.55 x previous week)
30th Sept - 2,036 (1.41 x pw)
7th Oct - 3,066 (1.51 x pw)
14th Oct - 4,313 (1.41 x pw)
21st Oct - 6,271 (1.45 x pw)
28th Oct - 9,070 (1.45 x pw)
4th Nov - 11,037 (1.22 x pw)
11th Nov - 12,730 (1.15 x pw)
18th Nov - 14,490 (1.14 x pw)
25th Nov - 14,240 (0.98 x pw)
2nd Dec - 13,212 (0.93 x pw)
9th Dec - 13,467 (1.02 x pw)
16th Dec - 15,465 (1.15 x pw)
23rd Dec - 17,834 (1.15 x pw)
30th Dec - 22,713 (1.27 x pw)
6th Jan - 27,727 (1.22 x pw)
13th Jan - 32,689 (1.18 x pw)
20th Jan - 33,886 (1.04 x pw)
27th Jan - 30,846 (0.91 x pw)
3rd Feb - 26,374 (0.86 x pw)
10th Feb - 20,926 (0.79 x pw)
17th Feb - 16,458 (0.79 x pw)
24th Feb - 13,007 (0.79 x pw)
3rd Mar - 9,594 (0.74 x pw)
10th Mar - 6,945 (0.73 x pw)
17th Mar - 5,397 (0.77 x pw)
Some more good news on the hospitalisation figures from yesterday, a drop of 25% from the previous weeks figures which is a faster rate than it has been in any point of this wave. Also down below 10k in England for the 1st time since 1st November.
Also 20.7M now have had the 1st dose of the vaccine administered and just short of 900k having had the 2nd dose.
With the better weather and the relaxation coming next week we need to keep an eye on the figures but positive news so far.
And following on from last weeks 25% drop in the hospital numbers we have repeated that number again this week which means we have less than 7k in hospital in England now. As the schools have gone back this week the next couple of week's figures will be very important (not that it needs saying really). In comparison to the 1st wave where the reduction week on week was between 15 and 20% each week when the numbers were similar we appear to be treating patients quicker and more effectively this time.
Add to that the vaccinations figures of over 23M (more than a third of the population) and very importantly I'll be joining that number tomorrow of 1st doses dished out and 1.3M having had both doses things are looking good.
And back to the boring stuff, after nearly 2 weeks of the kids being back in school there has been no noticeable increase (or reduction in the decrease) of hospitalisations in England. The 26 and 27% drops of the previous two weeks has fallen slightly to 23% but that is roughly about 150 individuals and in line with the reductions we were seeing in Feb. Again the next week will be crucial but so far, so good.
Vaccinations plough on and with roughly half of the adult population having the 1st dose completed and especially those most vulnerable done then we now will start to see an upturn in the numbers for 2nd doses hopefully which stand at just short of 2M as of yesterday.
As JVT say - hold the line!
RE: UK Covid death toll - Birdman1811 - 03-19-2021
I can only speak from the experience of the hospital I work in, but the overriding feeling is we are deep into the home stretch now. We've even stopped the daily covid alert emails since there wasn't enough in them to be worth reporting.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 03-19-2021
I really hope so Birdy, all the indicators are that we are heading in the right direction in the UK but the situation in Europe should be a massive red flag to all of the morons that talk of it being seasonal or we can open up quicker. I dropped off twitter a few weeks ago because it was draining reading all of the shit posted on there and anyone who urged caution was deemed as wanting lockdowns for ever. Anyone on there now? and are they still saying that lockdown was a mistake?
RE: UK Covid death toll - Birdman1811 - 03-19-2021
Twitter is hotbed of morons full stop.
The road map set out by the government is pretty robust to be honest and so far we shouldn't see any delays to that, however it's important to watch the data.