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RE: UK Covid death toll - Birdman1811 - 01-22-2021
We are nowhere near the point of relaxing surely?
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 01-22-2021
End of March I reckon Birdy, at that point we should have all of the vulnerable vaccinated and have the numbers in hospital down to less than 7k. The only concern I have is the reasoning behind the delaying of the 2nd dose, I understand that giving all vulnerable some protection gives a greater headcount protected, but I would rather have followed the original guidelines of both doses within three weeks because that is what the experts recommended.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Derek Hardballs - 01-22-2021
(01-22-2021, 10:26 AM)baggy1 Wrote: End of March I reckon Birdy, at that point we should have all of the vulnerable vaccinated and have the numbers in hospital down to less than 7k. The only concern I have is the reasoning behind the delaying of the 2nd dose, I understand that giving all vulnerable some protection gives a greater headcount protected, but I would rather have followed the original guidelines of both doses within three weeks because that is what the experts recommended.
All the vulnerable? Children who are vulnerable with conditions including cancer, disabled, neurological problems (between 40-60% more likely to die / suffer serious problems due to Covid than other young people) aren't even on the list and there is no timescale / roadmap out of this what so ever at the moment for them or their families other than put them at risk. Whilst the news on vaccines is welcome the system is letting the youngest and most vulnerable down currently.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Fido - 01-22-2021
(01-22-2021, 10:44 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:(01-22-2021, 10:26 AM)baggy1 Wrote: End of March I reckon Birdy, at that point we should have all of the vulnerable vaccinated and have the numbers in hospital down to less than 7k. The only concern I have is the reasoning behind the delaying of the 2nd dose, I understand that giving all vulnerable some protection gives a greater headcount protected, but I would rather have followed the original guidelines of both doses within three weeks because that is what the experts recommended.
All the vulnerable? Children who are vulnerable with conditions including cancer, disabled, neurological problems (between 40-60% more likely to die / suffer serious problems due to Covid than other young people) aren't even on the list and there is no timescale / roadmap out of this what so ever at the moment for them or their families other than put them at risk. Whilst the news on vaccines is welcome the system is letting the youngest and most vulnerable down currently.
Can you detail how you would have administered the roll-out more effectively? The government has made mistakes in this process and I'm sure there are inefficiencies but you'd have fuggin whinged if everyone in the country hadn't been vaccinated within the first two days of receiving the first shipment.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggiebuckster - 01-22-2021
I certainly don't know the answer but assuming that there are no logistical issues I think that by Easter it is reasonable to suggest that around 35-40 million people could have some form of immunity. I have based this on the following:
- If 15 million can get the jab by mid Feb then it is reasonable to expect another 10-15 million to also be completed by early April.
- Assuming the fatality rate to be 1% then it can be suggested that around 10 million have already had Covid (or will have by Easter). The fact that ONS claimed that 1 in 8 people had been infected by the end of December then my calculation is not too far out.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 01-22-2021
(01-22-2021, 10:44 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:(01-22-2021, 10:26 AM)baggy1 Wrote: End of March I reckon Birdy, at that point we should have all of the vulnerable vaccinated and have the numbers in hospital down to less than 7k. The only concern I have is the reasoning behind the delaying of the 2nd dose, I understand that giving all vulnerable some protection gives a greater headcount protected, but I would rather have followed the original guidelines of both doses within three weeks because that is what the experts recommended.
All the vulnerable? Children who are vulnerable with conditions including cancer, disabled, neurological problems (between 40-60% more likely to die / suffer serious problems due to Covid than other young people) aren't even on the list and there is no timescale / roadmap out of this what so ever at the moment for them or their families other than put them at risk. Whilst the news on vaccines is welcome the system is letting the youngest and most vulnerable down currently.
I would imagine this number will be small and easily rectified, what scale are we talking about Dekka. The reason children are not included in the lists are because the vaccine isn't approved for use in children yet, I would imagine they are working on that.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Tom Joad - 01-22-2021
baggy1 Wrote:I would hope so, and I would think they certainly are but it is a hugely valid point. We really need ALL vulnerable people to be protected. Let's hope there is an answer to this soon.Derek Hardballs Wrote:baggy1 Wrote:End of March I reckon Birdy, at that point we should have all of the vulnerable vaccinated and have the numbers in hospital down to less than 7k. The only concern I have is the reasoning behind the delaying of the 2nd dose, I understand that giving all vulnerable some protection gives a greater headcount protected, but I would rather have followed the original guidelines of both doses within three weeks because that is what the experts recommended.
All the vulnerable? Children who are vulnerable with conditions including cancer, disabled, neurological problems (between 40-60% more likely to die / suffer serious problems due to Covid than other young people) aren't even on the list and there is no timescale / roadmap out of this what so ever at the moment for them or their families other than put them at risk. Whilst the news on vaccines is welcome the system is letting the youngest and most vulnerable down currently.
I would imagine this number will be small and easily rectified, what scale are we talking about Dekka. The reason children are not included in the lists are because the vaccine isn't approved for use in children yet, I would imagine they are working on that.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggiebuckster - 01-22-2021
Question for people on this thread.
How long are you reasonably prepared to tolerate the restrictions for? If you were told today that nothing will change in 2021 what would your thoughts be?
Surely there has to come a point where there is a way out of this. If by summer we have everyone over 50 vaccinated then would you still be fine with lockdown? Or maybe by September when all adults will have been offered the jab according to recent reports?
If the virus resists the vaccines then are we going to wait for a new vaccine and remain locked down indefinitely?
RE: UK Covid death toll - The liquidator - 01-22-2021
(01-22-2021, 06:27 PM)baggiebuckster Wrote: Question for people on this thread.
How long are you reasonably prepared to tolerate the restrictions for? If you were told today that nothing will change in 2021 what would your thoughts be?
Surely there has to come a point where there is a way out of this. If by summer we have everyone over 50 vaccinated then would you still be fine with lockdown? Or maybe by September when all adults will have been offered the jab according to recent reports?
If the virus resists the vaccines then are we going to wait for a new vaccine and remain locked down indefinitely?
I can probably do to about May or June then I want a exit for July / Sept....i think everyone needs a holiday.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Ossian - 01-22-2021
(01-22-2021, 06:27 PM)baggiebuckster Wrote: Question for people on this thread.
How long are you reasonably prepared to tolerate the restrictions for? If you were told today that nothing will change in 2021 what would your thoughts be?
Surely there has to come a point where there is a way out of this. If by summer we have everyone over 50 vaccinated then would you still be fine with lockdown? Or maybe by September when all adults will have been offered the jab according to recent reports?
If the virus resists the vaccines then are we going to wait for a new vaccine and remain locked down indefinitely?
As long as my family are okay I'll cope with most things. Having to wear a mask is at most a minor inconvenience; avoiding contact with other people is no hardship for me, although I know my wife and son miss their friends so, for that reason, I'd welcome some easing of the restrictions. If I'm not with either one or both of them I prefer my own company - there's never a shortage of things to do.
I suppose lockdown means less of a change for me than it does for normal people. I've been preparing for it for a good many years, although obviously I wasn't aware of that at the time.
I'd like Mrs O to have her vaccine because she works in a school, and although it could cost her eight hundred quid to be caught in somebody else's house, it would be okay for her to be in a classroom with members of thirty different households if Ms Patel had her way.