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RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 01-15-2021
He was put back in his box pretty sharpish after he sent the letter to Tory MPs by the looks of it. This was his tweet last night:
"What this country needs is the complete success of @BorisJohnson, with his excellent EU deal, a successful vaccination programme and a #Road2Recovery back to freedom.
I am clear Boris is the only person to lead us out of these difficulties and I support him in that endeavour."
RE: UK Covid death toll - Tom Joad - 01-15-2021
Good facting again, Baggy1. One thing I would say, I looked into the "only 5 months immunity" thing and the study only started late June, early July so 5 months is about all the time they had. I suppose I'm just trying to be positive (it's certainly not any medical background!), but I'm guessing we'll all have different levels of immunity similar to how we have with other viruses. I still hopeimmunity will GENERALLY last longer.
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 01-15-2021
Agreed TJ, there was a programme on (i think) C4 this week about why it's impacting men more than women which was worth watching. There will be a huge amount of knowledge come out eventually and we are still 11 weeks away from having a full 12 months with this so still a lot to learn.
1 thing I did see with the hospitalisations was that although the % is coming down it seems to have stalled at 5k extra a week for 3 weeks now. Don't know what that means or if it means anything at all but seemed to be a strange constant in all this chaos.
RE: UK Covid death toll - The liquidator - 01-15-2021
(01-15-2021, 08:51 AM)baggy1 Wrote: 16th Sept - 929
23rd Sept - 1,439 (1.55 x previous week)
30th Sept - 2,036 (1.41 x pw)
7th Oct - 3,066 (1.51 x pw)
14th Oct - 4,313 (1.41 x pw)
21st Oct - 6,271 (1.45 x pw)
28th Oct - 9,070 (1.45 x pw)
4th Nov - 11,037 (1.22 x pw)
11th Nov - 12,730 (1.15 x pw)
18th Nov - 14,490 (1.14 x pw)
25th Nov - 14,240 (0.98 x pw)
2nd Dec - 13,212 (0.93 x pw)
9th Dec - 13,467 (1.02 x pw)
16th Dec - 15,465 (1.15 x pw)
23rd Dec - 17,834 (1.15 x pw)
30th Dec - 22,713 (1.27 x pw)
6th Jan - 27,727 (1.22 x pw)
13th Jan - 32,689 (1.18 x pw)
Another 5k added to the number in hospital this week but the 'good' news is that the % increase is slowing down however it is now at the rate that we had just before Christmas so the recent higher rates could have been due to the Christmas get togethers.
I've attached a picture of the Aston Expressway yesterday, in the Highways Agency command centre in Quinton they had 4,000 logs (incidents) on the motorways and they had to open up the managed sections of the M42. If we are in lockdown then there must be an immense number of key workers travelling around.
Added to that there was also the wonderful MP Steve Baker who sent out a letter to all conservative MPs calling for action after the cabinet and covid strategy 'hammers freedom, hammers the private sector, hammers small business owners and hammers the poor' where the 'Government has adopted a strategy devoid of any commitment to our liberty' and basically asking for Boris' head.
The covid deniers have changed their names to 'lockdown skeptics' now and their new tack is that we have herd immunity and cases peaked before the lockdown. The reason we are so fucked in this country is mainly due to the absolute fuck up of a government who didn't act swiftly enough at any stage and those that didn't like the restrictions on their 'liberties' constantly pissing in the ear of MPs and spouting their 'undeniable facts' on twitter en masse.
Add to that the news that indication is that immunity from having had covid only lasts about 6 months means that herd immunity is only ever a short lived thing it's been a pretty crappy week overall.
To end on a positive note, and to give the government some credit, the vaccine roll out is moving well. There are some glitches, old people being asked to travel miles, some strange reasons for people getting the vaccine ahead of others, and some vaccines being thrown away, but this is a massive operation and there will be problems. We seem to be leading the way on it - I really hope this works because we are fucked without it based on the way the population and govt have reacted to the crisis.
My job is on the A38m and its very busy.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Derek Hardballs - 01-17-2021
Welcome to the U.K. 2020-2021... BBC show hosted by Nicky Campbell
Deborah (stage 4 bowel cancer) Lord Sumption, I'm the person that you say whose life is not valuable.
Lord Sumption - “I didn't say it wasn't valuable, I said it was less valuable”
He’s a figurehead of the anti-lockdown clowns this is where we are now ffs!
Lefty rag
RE: UK Covid death toll - Birdman1811 - 01-18-2021
(05-04-2020, 08:52 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:(05-04-2020, 08:44 AM)Protheroe Wrote:(05-04-2020, 07:44 AM)The liquidator Wrote: The scientists are going to take the fall for everything as the government will just say we went with science .
Given that epidemiologists don't agree with each other about this anyway I doubt the government will (or should) take the fall.
I'd much prefer we'd reacted like Sweden, where we'd all be responsible individually rather then being infantilised when in actuality very few of us are actually at risk.
Textbook
I know a Dr in Sweden.
They are begging that no other country follows their example. Their health service is in chaos, Dr's are quitting on the spot and nurses are having mental breakdowns at work. Anyone at risk is basically left to die, and the government are so hell bent on being right, they'll make sure deaths are labelled anything but Covid...
Honestly, do not follow that example.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Borin' Baggie - 01-18-2021
(01-18-2021, 01:02 PM)Birdman1811 Wrote:(05-04-2020, 08:52 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:(05-04-2020, 08:44 AM)Protheroe Wrote:(05-04-2020, 07:44 AM)The liquidator Wrote: The scientists are going to take the fall for everything as the government will just say we went with science .
Given that epidemiologists don't agree with each other about this anyway I doubt the government will (or should) take the fall.
I'd much prefer we'd reacted like Sweden, where we'd all be responsible individually rather then being infantilised when in actuality very few of us are actually at risk.
Textbook
I know a Dr in Sweden.
They are begging that no other country follows their example. Their health service is in chaos, Dr's are quitting on the spot and nurses are having mental breakdowns at work. Anyone at risk is basically left to die, and the government are so hell bent on being right, they'll make sure deaths are labelled anything but Covid...
Honestly, do not follow that example.
And that's with Sweden's welfare system that provides an incentive to stay home when sick. We'd be completely fucked, we haven't even upped statutory sick pay.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Birdman1811 - 01-18-2021
(01-18-2021, 01:05 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:(01-18-2021, 01:02 PM)Birdman1811 Wrote:(05-04-2020, 08:52 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:(05-04-2020, 08:44 AM)Protheroe Wrote:(05-04-2020, 07:44 AM)The liquidator Wrote: The scientists are going to take the fall for everything as the government will just say we went with science .
Given that epidemiologists don't agree with each other about this anyway I doubt the government will (or should) take the fall.
I'd much prefer we'd reacted like Sweden, where we'd all be responsible individually rather then being infantilised when in actuality very few of us are actually at risk.
Textbook
I know a Dr in Sweden.
They are begging that no other country follows their example. Their health service is in chaos, Dr's are quitting on the spot and nurses are having mental breakdowns at work. Anyone at risk is basically left to die, and the government are so hell bent on being right, they'll make sure deaths are labelled anything but Covid...
Honestly, do not follow that example.
And that's with Sweden's welfare system that provides an incentive to stay home when sick. We'd be completely fucked, we haven't even upped statutory sick pay.
Indeed. We want people to isolate if positive, but most can't afford to. I'm lucky I could work from home, and have been a lot. Most people I work with couldn't.
RE: UK Covid death toll - Protheroe - 01-18-2021
Mark Drakeford defends decision to delay deployment of Pfizer vaccine supplies on #r4today: "There would be no point and certainly it would be logistically damaging to use up all our vaccines in the first week and have our vaccinators standing around with nothing to do."
RE: UK Covid death toll - baggy1 - 01-19-2021
I had given some thought and decided to start with positive news from now on with delivery of the vaccine but having seen the figures for week 1 I have decided that there is still a big message of caution to put out there.
Week 1 (to the 8th January) 2021 figures for E&W are in and unfortunately there is a massive increase in deaths compared to normal. The 5YA figure for week is 12,175 which is pretty high compared to the rest of the year as January always has the highest figures, however the deaths for week 1 2021 are 17,751 which is 45% above normal - now an amount of that might be due to a bank holiday that would normally be in week one and isn't this year but that would only account for less than 10%. This is the biggest excess death figure since April, there were only 5 bigger excess death weeks in all of the covid time and only 4 weeks with bigger numbers overall.
Hospitalisations are also still going up but it is definitely slowing down, for all of the lockdown skeptics these figures should finally shut them up (it won't) because in the UK we simply haven't managed the virus at all. I hear that we now have the worst deaths per population than anywhere now.
Also, and this is something that needs to be explored further but I have family members who have now got covid for the second time, which raises a big question around herd immunity. They are a family that have kids in school, older kids at work, the kids travel between parents who both have partners that come and go and the older kids move between their family and the boyfriends families.
OK onto the good news that I planned to start with, the vaccine roll out - credit where it is due there is a big effort going on with a mass vaccination centre both locally and at millennium point. Really well done for getting that going to the government. In the UK as of 17th Jan there were over 4m have had their 1st dose and 400k had their second dose, and although it doesn't work like this that is the equivalent of all the over 80s having the 1st jab with about 30% of the over 75s done, with the equivalent of all 75% of the over 90s getting both jabs.
I think the above news means that we really have to stay vigilant for the next few months until we can start to live a normal life again.