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RE: It's The Ashes (again) - Mr Nimbus - 07-09-2023
Fucking Brilliant. Sat in the garden with a cask of Enville and Test Match Special. This is a special series. The atmosphere at the end was incredible, even across the radio. Of course its the win that does it.....but what a test match. If you didn't enjoy that......try bowls.
RE: It's The Ashes (again) - SuperBob2002 - 07-09-2023
I quite like bowls! Leave it alone!
RE: It's The Ashes (again) - garryowensneck - 07-09-2023
Cracking series so far as all 3 games could have gone either way, looking forward to the last 2 but think the convicts will clinch it.
RE: It's The Ashes (again) - Everything Zin - 07-09-2023
(07-09-2023, 01:05 PM)I’m SuperBob2002 Wrote:Never introduce facts to argue with an idiot.(07-09-2023, 12:56 PM)wba13 Wrote:(07-09-2023, 12:34 PM)SuperBob2002 Wrote:(07-09-2023, 12:32 PM)Fido Wrote:(07-09-2023, 12:31 PM)SuperBob2002 Wrote: A shot he wouldn't even consider playing if he was allowed to play his natural game...
Utter bollocks
Is it? See the first shot he played to his first ball. Root isn't playing the game that comes naturally to him. He's playing an unfamiliar style that has been drilled into him by McCullum.
So he’s not playing his natural game, how come he averages more under the McCullum - Stokes regime than before.
I’m sorry but you talk utter rubbish.
Another idiot to add to the ignore list.
RE: It's The Ashes (again) - Cheshire East Baggie - 07-09-2023
Delighted to see the series kept alive. Brook, Wood and Woakes won this for England in the end, although we needed Stokes to do his superman act to stay in touch on the first innings.
I wonder, can we select a balanced team and give ourselves the best chance to win the last two matches? For me that means Bairstow is out of the side, Anderson sits it out and a proper batsman comes in at no 3. I doubt they'll make any big changes, so Bairstow keeps the gloves, GOAT gets a farewell game at Old Trafford and we're stuck with Moeen or Lawrence at no 3. Do it the hard way, that's Bazball.
RE: It's The Ashes (again) - AnelkasBeard - 07-10-2023
(07-09-2023, 03:02 PM)SuperBob2002 Wrote:(07-09-2023, 02:57 PM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote:(07-09-2023, 02:45 PM)SuperBob2002 Wrote: Some redemption to what has been a poor series so far. 2-1 down is probably a fair reflection. 3-0 would have been harsh on us as we have had some good periods of play. However, we now need to turn our attention to the next Test. I'd be inclined to keep the same side that started this Test, fitness dependant (Robinson appears to be a doubt? If so I'd being in Tongue over Anderson, controversially). I would give serious thought to dropping Bairstow and bringing in Foakes. I believe Johnny's form with the gloves is now impacting his batting - his confidence is shot.
He was phenomenal last summer and is a fantastic batsman, but I feel a short break will do him good.
Crawley wouldn't be anywhere near the side but we all know he's got a spot for life as long as Rob Key is involved in the set up.
You’re gutted we’ve won that, aren’t you?
I'm delighted we've won. Why wouldn't I be? But I'm not so short sighted to ignore the fact it's a 5 game series and that we need to improve in order to fight back and win the Ashes.
Have you bothered to look at the stats of the series? I'll put them below so you can see. It's as tight as a ducks arse. A few moments that have swung either way have settled all 3 Tests. Looks like I'll be the third person to tell you you're talking bollocks.... sensing a theme?
Runs - England 1809, Australia 1850.
Wickets lost - England 55, Australia 58
Averages - England 32.89, Australia 31.89
Extras scored - England 99, Australia 148.
That difference of 50 in extras, plus several more dropped catches by England, is why we lost the first two Tests. None of this bollocks you reel off about philosophy and arrogance etc.
What a difference Wood and Woakes made to this Test - absolute night and day, both fantastic players. Robinson to be dropped for Old Trafford to get Jimmy back in you'd assume. Foakes needs to come in for Bairstow. When Bairstow keeps, he averages below 20. When he just bats, the last 11 Tests played, he averaged 60, and historically has averaged much higher. Doesn't take a genius to work it out, does it?
Team for me. Keep Moeen at 3, helps the balance of the batting line up, Brook needs to stop at 5. It's not ideal, but I don't see what other option we have with Pope's injury. I don't think we'll see Foakes in for Bairstow, but it needs to happen.
Crawley
Duckett
Ali
Root
Brook
Stokes
Foakes
Woakes
Wood
Broad
Anderson
RE: It's The Ashes (again) - richbaggie - 07-10-2023
(07-09-2023, 02:45 PM)SuperBob2002 Wrote: Some redemption to what has been a poor series so far. 2-1 down is probably a fair reflection. 3-0 would have been harsh on us as we have had some good periods of play. However, we now need to turn our attention to the next Test. I'd be inclined to keep the same side that started this Test, fitness dependant (Robinson appears to be a doubt? If so I'd being in Tongue over Anderson, controversially). I would give serious thought to dropping Bairstow and bringing in Foakes. I believe Johnny's form with the gloves is now impacting his batting - his confidence is shot.
He was phenomenal last summer and is a fantastic batsman, but I feel a short break will do him good.
Crawley wouldn't be anywhere near the side but we all know he's got a spot for life as long as Rob Key is involved in the set up.
Poor series so far? That's a very strange take given we have had 3 extremely close games against the best team in the world. Your dislike of the way we play under Stokes really does cloud your judgement. We've won 12 of the last 15 tests under him, we are seeing some fantastic games, tickets are selling out for all 5 days.
The criticism of Root yesterday by you is a clear indication of your bias. He has got out with the flick down the leg side a lot in his career. This wasn't a baz ball shot. He has actually improved his average whilst playing under Stokes so how can you say he's under performing under him?
I understand the frustration that old school cricket fans have about the style. There are times when we should reign it in and I think we did that this Test. However, we are at the point now that every wicket taken is blamed on the style and its getting ridiculous.
RE: It's The Ashes (again) - SuperBob2002 - 07-10-2023
(07-10-2023, 08:31 AM)AnelkasBeard Wrote:(07-09-2023, 03:02 PM)SuperBob2002 Wrote:(07-09-2023, 02:57 PM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote:(07-09-2023, 02:45 PM)SuperBob2002 Wrote: Some redemption to what has been a poor series so far. 2-1 down is probably a fair reflection. 3-0 would have been harsh on us as we have had some good periods of play. However, we now need to turn our attention to the next Test. I'd be inclined to keep the same side that started this Test, fitness dependant (Robinson appears to be a doubt? If so I'd being in Tongue over Anderson, controversially). I would give serious thought to dropping Bairstow and bringing in Foakes. I believe Johnny's form with the gloves is now impacting his batting - his confidence is shot.
He was phenomenal last summer and is a fantastic batsman, but I feel a short break will do him good.
Crawley wouldn't be anywhere near the side but we all know he's got a spot for life as long as Rob Key is involved in the set up.
You’re gutted we’ve won that, aren’t you?
I'm delighted we've won. Why wouldn't I be? But I'm not so short sighted to ignore the fact it's a 5 game series and that we need to improve in order to fight back and win the Ashes.
Have you bothered to look at the stats of the series? I'll put them below so you can see. It's as tight as a ducks arse. A few moments that have swung either way have settled all 3 Tests. Looks like I'll be the third person to tell you you're talking bollocks.... sensing a theme?
Runs - England 1809, Australia 1850.
Wickets lost - England 55, Australia 58
Averages - England 32.89, Australia 31.89
Extras scored - England 99, Australia 148.
That difference of 50 in extras, plus several more dropped catches by England, is why we lost the first two Tests. None of this bollocks you reel off about philosophy and arrogance etc.
What a difference Wood and Woakes made to this Test - absolute night and day, both fantastic players. Robinson to be dropped for Old Trafford to get Jimmy back in you'd assume. Foakes needs to come in for Bairstow. When Bairstow keeps, he averages below 20. When he just bats, the last 11 Tests played, he averaged 60, and historically has averaged much higher. Doesn't take a genius to work it out, does it?
Team for me. Keep Moeen at 3, helps the balance of the batting line up, Brook needs to stop at 5. It's not ideal, but I don't see what other option we have with Pope's injury. I don't think we'll see Foakes in for Bairstow, but it needs to happen.
Crawley
Duckett
Ali
Root
Brook
Stokes
Foakes
Woakes
Wood
Broad
Anderson
Those stats back up my thoughts which I've posted above and will copy and paste below!
'2-1 down is probably a fair reflection. 3-0 would have been harsh on us as we have had some good periods of play.'
Not too sure why you're getting personal over me saying it's a poor series for us so far when we're 2-1 down! Yes it's been close hence why I believe 2-1 is a fair series scoreline, but to say we haven't been at our best is also correct. We need to improve and cut out costly mistakes in order to win at Old Trafford and then at the Oval. I'm not sure what part of that is bollocks?
RE: It's The Ashes (again) - AnelkasBeard - 07-10-2023
(07-10-2023, 09:10 AM)SuperBob2002 Wrote:(07-10-2023, 08:31 AM)AnelkasBeard Wrote:(07-09-2023, 03:02 PM)SuperBob2002 Wrote:(07-09-2023, 02:57 PM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote:(07-09-2023, 02:45 PM)SuperBob2002 Wrote: Some redemption to what has been a poor series so far. 2-1 down is probably a fair reflection. 3-0 would have been harsh on us as we have had some good periods of play. However, we now need to turn our attention to the next Test. I'd be inclined to keep the same side that started this Test, fitness dependant (Robinson appears to be a doubt? If so I'd being in Tongue over Anderson, controversially). I would give serious thought to dropping Bairstow and bringing in Foakes. I believe Johnny's form with the gloves is now impacting his batting - his confidence is shot.
He was phenomenal last summer and is a fantastic batsman, but I feel a short break will do him good.
Crawley wouldn't be anywhere near the side but we all know he's got a spot for life as long as Rob Key is involved in the set up.
You’re gutted we’ve won that, aren’t you?
I'm delighted we've won. Why wouldn't I be? But I'm not so short sighted to ignore the fact it's a 5 game series and that we need to improve in order to fight back and win the Ashes.
Have you bothered to look at the stats of the series? I'll put them below so you can see. It's as tight as a ducks arse. A few moments that have swung either way have settled all 3 Tests. Looks like I'll be the third person to tell you you're talking bollocks.... sensing a theme?
Runs - England 1809, Australia 1850.
Wickets lost - England 55, Australia 58
Averages - England 32.89, Australia 31.89
Extras scored - England 99, Australia 148.
That difference of 50 in extras, plus several more dropped catches by England, is why we lost the first two Tests. None of this bollocks you reel off about philosophy and arrogance etc.
What a difference Wood and Woakes made to this Test - absolute night and day, both fantastic players. Robinson to be dropped for Old Trafford to get Jimmy back in you'd assume. Foakes needs to come in for Bairstow. When Bairstow keeps, he averages below 20. When he just bats, the last 11 Tests played, he averaged 60, and historically has averaged much higher. Doesn't take a genius to work it out, does it?
Team for me. Keep Moeen at 3, helps the balance of the batting line up, Brook needs to stop at 5. It's not ideal, but I don't see what other option we have with Pope's injury. I don't think we'll see Foakes in for Bairstow, but it needs to happen.
Crawley
Duckett
Ali
Root
Brook
Stokes
Foakes
Woakes
Wood
Broad
Anderson
Those stats back up my thoughts which I've posted above and will copy and paste below!
'2-1 down is probably a fair reflection. 3-0 would have been harsh on us as we have had some good periods of play.'
Not too sure why you're getting personal over me saying it's a poor series for us so far when we're 2-1 down! Yes it's been close hence why I believe 2-1 is a fair series scoreline, but to say we haven't been at our best is also correct. We need to improve and cut out costly mistakes in order to win at Old Trafford and then at the Oval. I'm not sure what part of that is bollocks?
You're incredibly fatalistic with your views. You're completely blinded by your dislike of the style, to equate everything bad to "bazball" (as Rich also points out), and ignoring anything good that it does. This amounts to a lot (not all) of what you say on this thread being bollocks.
The simple fact is, results show that this is currently the best way we can win Tests. We don't have a batting line up of Cook, Strauss, Trott, KP, Bell, Collingwood, Prior any more.
You can criticise the selection of the team, I feel like that is pretty valid. But the rest, why don't you try to enjoy it a bit more?
RE: It's The Ashes (again) - SuperBob2002 - 07-10-2023
(07-10-2023, 09:22 AM)AnelkasBeard Wrote:(07-10-2023, 09:10 AM)SuperBob2002 Wrote:(07-10-2023, 08:31 AM)AnelkasBeard Wrote:(07-09-2023, 03:02 PM)SuperBob2002 Wrote:(07-09-2023, 02:57 PM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote: You’re gutted we’ve won that, aren’t you?
I'm delighted we've won. Why wouldn't I be? But I'm not so short sighted to ignore the fact it's a 5 game series and that we need to improve in order to fight back and win the Ashes.
Have you bothered to look at the stats of the series? I'll put them below so you can see. It's as tight as a ducks arse. A few moments that have swung either way have settled all 3 Tests. Looks like I'll be the third person to tell you you're talking bollocks.... sensing a theme?
Runs - England 1809, Australia 1850.
Wickets lost - England 55, Australia 58
Averages - England 32.89, Australia 31.89
Extras scored - England 99, Australia 148.
That difference of 50 in extras, plus several more dropped catches by England, is why we lost the first two Tests. None of this bollocks you reel off about philosophy and arrogance etc.
What a difference Wood and Woakes made to this Test - absolute night and day, both fantastic players. Robinson to be dropped for Old Trafford to get Jimmy back in you'd assume. Foakes needs to come in for Bairstow. When Bairstow keeps, he averages below 20. When he just bats, the last 11 Tests played, he averaged 60, and historically has averaged much higher. Doesn't take a genius to work it out, does it?
Team for me. Keep Moeen at 3, helps the balance of the batting line up, Brook needs to stop at 5. It's not ideal, but I don't see what other option we have with Pope's injury. I don't think we'll see Foakes in for Bairstow, but it needs to happen.
Crawley
Duckett
Ali
Root
Brook
Stokes
Foakes
Woakes
Wood
Broad
Anderson
Those stats back up my thoughts which I've posted above and will copy and paste below!
'2-1 down is probably a fair reflection. 3-0 would have been harsh on us as we have had some good periods of play.'
Not too sure why you're getting personal over me saying it's a poor series for us so far when we're 2-1 down! Yes it's been close hence why I believe 2-1 is a fair series scoreline, but to say we haven't been at our best is also correct. We need to improve and cut out costly mistakes in order to win at Old Trafford and then at the Oval. I'm not sure what part of that is bollocks?
You're incredibly fatalistic with your views. You're completely blinded by your dislike of the style, to equate everything bad to "bazball" (as Rich also points out), and ignoring anything good that it does. This amounts to a lot (not all) of what you say on this thread being bollocks.
The simple fact is, results show that this is currently the best way we can win Tests. We don't have a batting line up of Cook, Strauss, Trott, KP, Bell, Collingwood, Prior any more.
You can criticise the selection of the team, I feel like that is pretty valid. But the rest, why don't you try to enjoy it a bit more?
Agree to disagree. We're just going around in circles. I guess we're best off ignoring each other! Well, you may be best off if you think I talk bollocks.