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I really didn't think was a controversial thread to be honest. Reasonable questions
(03-18-2020, 12:37 PM)Sliced Wrote: [ -> ]I really didn't think was a controversial thread to be honest. Reasonable questions

Thank you Slice as ever a voice of reason. 

The same question dominated Prime Ministers Questions today. I hope the refreshingly sense of collective action between parties will enable these really serious questions being answered to the benefit of the nation.
(03-18-2020, 01:23 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-18-2020, 12:37 PM)Sliced Wrote: [ -> ]I really didn't think was a controversial thread to be honest. Reasonable questions

Thank you Slice as ever a voice of reason. 

The same question dominated Prime Ministers Questions today. I hope the refreshingly sense of collective action between parties will enable these really serious questions being answered to the benefit of the nation.

I'm sure measures will be announced today for financial support for the self employed, renters etc etc and seems likely news of schools being closed. But it seemed right that the announcement for business came first to protect the jobs that are still out there and to prevent others from reducing.
(03-18-2020, 12:37 PM)Sliced Wrote: [ -> ]I really didn't think was a controversial thread to be honest. Reasonable questions

It's not a controversial thread at all, I agree. But it's the last in the line of constant bleating that's doing my box and, I'd warrant, that of many others.
(03-18-2020, 08:57 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-18-2020, 08:22 AM)Protheroe Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-17-2020, 08:54 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: [ -> ]Most freelancers clients will not be paying them because they won’t know if they can.

That's bollocks Derek, my clients are generally paying within terms - I threatened legal action yesterday to a persistent delinquent payer and they've already paid me this morning.

Part of the package issued yesterday included loans to firms so they could pay their suppliers. There is no excuse not to pay.

It’s not bollocks. If you can’t do the actual job sat in front of the computer or similar then you won’t get paid. Companies / clients won’t or can’t pay for work that is impossible to start or complete. It has to be addressed as there a lot of people who will suffer otherwise. I hope it will be.

What type of freelance work that can't be done in front of a screen requires face to face contact Dekka? You do talk out of your arse. Edit "most" to "a tiny minority" and you might have a point.
(03-18-2020, 02:34 PM)Protheroe Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-18-2020, 08:57 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-18-2020, 08:22 AM)Protheroe Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-17-2020, 08:54 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: [ -> ]Most freelancers clients will not be paying them because they won’t know if they can.

That's bollocks Derek, my clients are generally paying within terms - I threatened legal action yesterday to a persistent delinquent payer and they've already paid me this morning.

Part of the package issued yesterday included loans to firms so they could pay their suppliers. There is no excuse not to pay.

It’s not bollocks. If you can’t do the actual job sat in front of the computer or similar then you won’t get paid. Companies / clients won’t or can’t pay for work that is impossible to start or complete. It has to be addressed as there a lot of people who will suffer otherwise. I hope it will be.

What type of freelance work that can't be done in front of a screen requires face to face contact Dekka? You do talk out of your arse. Edit "most" to "a tiny minority" and you might have a point.

I would think there is a lot of freelance work that can not be done via a computer.

For example there was a bloke on the radio this morning who has had 6 months of photography work cancelled.
(03-18-2020, 02:34 PM)Protheroe Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-18-2020, 08:57 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-18-2020, 08:22 AM)Protheroe Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-17-2020, 08:54 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: [ -> ]Most freelancers clients will not be paying them because they won’t know if they can.

That's bollocks Derek, my clients are generally paying within terms - I threatened legal action yesterday to a persistent delinquent payer and they've already paid me this morning.

Part of the package issued yesterday included loans to firms so they could pay their suppliers. There is no excuse not to pay.

It’s not bollocks. If you can’t do the actual job sat in front of the computer or similar then you won’t get paid. Companies / clients won’t or can’t pay for work that is impossible to start or complete. It has to be addressed as there a lot of people who will suffer otherwise. I hope it will be.

What type of freelance work that can't be done in front of a screen requires face to face contact Dekka? You do talk out of your arse. Edit "most" to "a tiny minority" and you might have a point.

Working within the community, care workers, working in hospitality, freelance chef's, painters, decorators, construction staff, entertainers, child minders, many in the creative sector, window cleaners, gardeners, youth workers etc etc. Clients are not going to book most of these people and soon I suspect they won't be able to move freely as we shall be in lockdown to a lesser or greater extent. You talk nonsense to try and pretend that most freelancers, zero hour employee's have contracts that mean their clients have to pay even if they don't / can't do the work or that they can do their job via a laptop. The subject dominated Prime Ministers Questions so don't be so disingenuous to suggests this isn't something that needs addressing. 

I hope it will be and to be fair to the government and the opposition parties they seem to have acknowledged the problem and are working together (fingers crossed) to mean those people don't become victims of a situation completely out of their control.
(03-18-2020, 01:58 PM)Fido Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-18-2020, 12:37 PM)Sliced Wrote: [ -> ]I really didn't think was a controversial thread to be honest. Reasonable questions

It's not a controversial thread at all, I agree. But it's the last in the line of constant bleating that's doing my box and, I'd warrant, that of many others.

There are plenty of other threads you can reply to.
Thank god for the state huh.

If only we had compentent leaders and properly funded services.
(03-18-2020, 03:42 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: [ -> ]Working within the community, care workers, working in hospitality, freelance chef's, painters, decorators, construction staff, entertainers, child minders, many in the creative sector, window cleaners, gardeners, youth workers etc etc. Clients are not going to book most of these people and soon I suspect they won't be able to move freely as we shall be in lockdown to a lesser or greater extent. You talk nonsense to try and pretend that most freelancers, zero hour employee's have contracts that mean their clients have to pay even if they don't / can't do the work or that they can do their job via a laptop. The subject dominated Prime Ministers Questions so don't be so disingenuous to suggests this isn't something that needs addressing. 

I hope it will be and to be fair to the government and the opposition parties they seem to have acknowledged the problem and are working together (fingers crossed) to mean those people don't become victims of a situation completely out of their control.

You said "Most freelancers clients will not be paying them because they won’t know if they can."

For care workers and construction staff that's simply bollocks. For discretionary services - particularly personal services I'll admit you have a point, but that's always been the most precarious end of employment - and I don't consider a window cleaner or a gardener or an entertainer to be 'freelance' in the generally accepted sense of the word.
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