Hopefully Shamima will win her appeal and the UK government will take responsibilty for one of it's citizens. She was a child, radicalised, misled and effectively trafficked, God gelp us if we don't protect our children and she was legally a child at the time
Sixteen is too young to vote, you don't know what you're doing at that age.
Fifteen is definitely old enough to understand you're being groomed and then trafficked to the Middle East to join a war cult.
Make it make sense.
I don't think people should just scream 'racism' whenever someone of colour is mistreated. That said, the reaction from the shouting masses and the press would have been dramatically different if she was white and middle class.
(11-21-2022, 09:58 AM)CarlosCorbewrong Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think people should just scream 'racism' whenever someone of colour is mistreated. That said, the reaction from the shouting masses and the press would have been dramatically different if she was white and middle class.
I'm not sure I agree with that; look at the animosity towards the just oil protesters, pretty much all of whom are white and middle class. The outrage would still be there
(11-21-2022, 09:29 AM)Pontificator Wrote: [ -> ]Hopefully Shamima will win her appeal and the UK government will take responsibilty for one of it's citizens. She was a child, radicalised, misled and effectively trafficked, God gelp us if we don't protect our children and she was legally a child at the time
If it had been intercepted as a safeguarding issue prior to departure she would have been treated as a protected victim. Yet somehow, because they succeeded in grooming her, she’s the enemy.
Work that shit out.
(11-21-2022, 10:34 AM)Sliced Wrote: [ -> ] (11-21-2022, 09:58 AM)CarlosCorbewrong Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think people should just scream 'racism' whenever someone of colour is mistreated. That said, the reaction from the shouting masses and the press would have been dramatically different if she was white and middle class.
I'm not sure I agree with that; look at the animosity towards the just oil protesters, pretty much all of whom are white and middle class. The outrage would still be there
That's a really false equivalence mon.
(11-21-2022, 10:49 AM)CarlosCorbewrong Wrote: [ -> ] (11-21-2022, 10:34 AM)Sliced Wrote: [ -> ] (11-21-2022, 09:58 AM)CarlosCorbewrong Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think people should just scream 'racism' whenever someone of colour is mistreated. That said, the reaction from the shouting masses and the press would have been dramatically different if she was white and middle class.
I'm not sure I agree with that; look at the animosity towards the just oil protesters, pretty much all of whom are white and middle class. The outrage would still be there
That's a really false equivalence mon.
I’m not saying they are the same thing. If a middle class white person went to “join ISIS” and then wanted to come back there would be outrage. It’s the topic driving the outrage, not the colour of Shamima Begum’s skin for the vast majority of the people who feel that way. Obviously some will use that as an excuse to get even more worked up, but that’s a small proportion.
(11-21-2022, 11:52 AM)Sliced Wrote: [ -> ] (11-21-2022, 10:49 AM)CarlosCorbewrong Wrote: [ -> ] (11-21-2022, 10:34 AM)Sliced Wrote: [ -> ] (11-21-2022, 09:58 AM)CarlosCorbewrong Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think people should just scream 'racism' whenever someone of colour is mistreated. That said, the reaction from the shouting masses and the press would have been dramatically different if she was white and middle class.
I'm not sure I agree with that; look at the animosity towards the just oil protesters, pretty much all of whom are white and middle class. The outrage would still be there
That's a really false equivalence mon.
I’m not saying they are the same thing. If a middle class white person went to “join ISIS” and then wanted to come back there would be outrage. It’s the topic driving the outrage, not the colour of Shamima Begum’s skin for the vast majority of the people who feel that way. Obviously some will use that as an excuse to get even more worked up, but that’s a small proportion.
Agree, Sliced. Sally-Anne Jones was a case in point.
(11-23-2022, 08:44 AM)SophLad Wrote: [ -> ] (11-22-2022, 11:12 AM)DemonicBaggie Wrote: [ -> ] (11-21-2022, 11:52 AM)Sliced Wrote: [ -> ] (11-21-2022, 10:49 AM)CarlosCorbewrong Wrote: [ -> ] (11-21-2022, 10:34 AM)Sliced Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure I agree with that; look at the animosity towards the just oil protesters, pretty much all of whom are white and middle class. The outrage would still be there
That's a really false equivalence mon.
I’m not saying they are the same thing. If a middle class white person went to “join ISIS” and then wanted to come back there would be outrage. It’s the topic driving the outrage, not the colour of Shamima Begum’s skin for the vast majority of the people who feel that way. Obviously some will use that as an excuse to get even more worked up, but that’s a small proportion.
Agree, Sliced. Sally-Anne Jones was a case in point.
Genuinely… who???
She was a woman who became a recruiter for ISIS, blown up in a drone strike.
It's telling of our media you and many others don't know who she was compared to Begum.
On Begum I initially didn't want her coming back but having had time to reflect, I think she was a victim of grooming.
How else would you view a 15 year old girl being convinced to leave home and ending up being married off to an older man within days?
Having looked at quite a few people who have been recruited into terrorist activities, it seems that people with low mental capacity or social issues are often targeted by these groups to be cannon fodder for their cause.