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The next culture wars !

I’m pretty much in the middle and can’t stand the extremes on each side.
I try and do my bit and certainly don’t deny most the science but also find it hard to stop doing stuff I enjoy as I haven’t got that long left to do that stuff! It’s difficult to stop doing major things in your life for impacts in 20-100 years ahead.
Strange times.
What exactly is the green agenda? Promoting domestic energy security alongside wanting to improve local air quality and reduce carbon emissions?

What a nightmare!
That's the issue BB, the green agenda is all-encompassing these days.

Today the Times is trying to make me feel guilty about having a tumble drier. Though on the bright side I have just bought Mrs P a nice second hand phat V6 diesel as the arse is falling out of that market with ULEZ and particulate-guilt.
(01-13-2022, 01:44 PM)Protheroe Wrote: [ -> ]That's the issue BB, the green agenda is all-encompassing these days.

Today the Times is trying to make me feel guilty about having a tumble drier. Though on the bright side I have just bought Mrs P a nice second hand phat V6 diesel as the arse is falling out of that market with ULEZ and particulate-guilt.

Funnily enough I was looking at old Beemers last night thinking the same thing. Screwed over with buying a new car because of the semiconductor shortage meaning BMW will sell me a new car with less spec for the same price, so I've decided to keep my old diesel and look for a classic to play around with.
The "Green Agenda" is all encompassing in policy because it is the primary issue of the modern day, and running a dry cycle would be far less problematic had those that are now chastising green energy policy and the taking of personal responsibility for emissions not demonised and blocked meaningful change when we should have implemented it.
(01-13-2022, 01:56 PM)baggy1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-13-2022, 01:44 PM)Protheroe Wrote: [ -> ]That's the issue BB, the green agenda is all-encompassing these days.

Today the Times is trying to make me feel guilty about having a tumble drier. Though on the bright side I have just bought Mrs P a nice second hand phat V6 diesel as the arse is falling out of that market with ULEZ and particulate-guilt.

Funnily enough I was looking at old Beemers last night thinking the same thing. Screwed over with buying a new car because of the semiconductor shortage meaning BMW will sell me a new car with less spec for the same price, so I've decided to keep my old diesel and look for a classic to play around with.

I'm looking at an old E39 Estate for the dog too. Old Beemers are better anyway - they look like a BMW ought to look rather than the "gurning idiot" appearance of most modern ones.
Too much time telling you and me to use paper straws. Not enough time spent telling Amazon to stop filling the oceans with shite.
(01-13-2022, 06:46 PM)Ted Maul Wrote: [ -> ]Too much time telling you and me to use paper straws. Not enough time spent telling Amazon to stop filling the oceans with shite.

+1 
We seem to have a real focus on tinkering around the edges and not getting to the heart of the issue. Paper straws, bamboo cotton buds etc, all loved by the corporates as it lets them look like they are doing something whilst shifting the focus towards individual behaviours. 
Maybe we could do with asking more fundamental questions about why we seem obsessed with consumption and production. Why should GDP be used as the overarching measure of how well a country is doing when it really just tells us how much more shite we are making, buying and chucking away? 
Until we understand that we need to consume less instead of focussing on producing more, i can't see any of the big environmental problems being fixed.
(01-14-2022, 10:19 AM)Sotv Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-13-2022, 06:46 PM)Ted Maul Wrote: [ -> ]Too much time telling you and me to use paper straws. Not enough time spent telling Amazon to stop filling the oceans with shite.

+1 
We seem to have a real focus on tinkering around the edges and not getting to the heart of the issue. Paper straws, bamboo cotton buds etc, all loved by the corporates as it lets them look like they are doing something whilst shifting the focus towards individual behaviours. 
Maybe we could do with asking more fundamental questions about why we seem obsessed with consumption and production. Why should GDP be used as the overarching measure of how well a country is doing when it really just tells us how much more shite we are making, buying and chucking away? 
Until we understand that we need to consume less instead of focussing on producing more, i can't see any of the big environmental problems being fixed.

+1
(01-14-2022, 10:19 AM)Sotv Wrote: [ -> ]Until we understand that we need to consume less instead 

Stick your hair shirt up your arse. Seriously.

I will not deny me or my family the pleasures of life in a vain attempt of making a minuscule and ultimately futile contribution to preventing a modest and manageable problem.

Tell the emerging Chinese, Indian and Nigerian middle class to consume less and they'll rightly laugh in your face.
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