(11-08-2021, 01:44 PM)Protheroe Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2021, 12:54 PM)Kit Kat Chunky Wrote: [ -> ]I'm awaiting delivery of a 3.0 petrol car. I'm dreading it!
It's fine mate. I'm getting 13 mpg from the Mazza V8 and 17 mpg from the Alfa V6 at the moment. None of this water-based E10 crap either - just had to put the tenants' rent up a bit to cover the cost of Shell V Power.
What you getting?
This is the problem though, isn't it Proth? Those who drive the gas guzzlers can afford the fuel price and any extra taxation heaped upon them. You know perfectly well that you could get around in a car doing 50 mpg and all that would be hurt was your self-image as a wealthy petrol head.
Rather than talking crap about banning all combustion-engined cars by some arbitrary date, they should ban the sale of any vehicles which don't meet high standards of efficiency. They could also retrospectively increase the tax on existing gas guzzlers (which they've never done because it wouldn't be "fair"). Old cars should be subject to emission checks at any stage (not just the annual MOT. Really old cars should be compulsorily taken off the road.
None of this will happen, because the climate debate is just another can for British governments to kick down the road.
(11-08-2021, 02:02 PM)MrFizz Wrote: [ -> ]Could fuel price increases be as a result of an awful lot of us not using as much? I used to fill up once a month, with a top up towards the end. Since April last year i've filled up probably 7 or 8 times, so half as much. Sheikh whatsisname is probably panicking as he has a new football club to pay for.
I hope so, the sooner the UK can move away from the insanity of cars and introduce good cycling and public transport infrastructure, the better.
(11-08-2021, 03:56 PM)AmsterdamBaggie Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2021, 02:02 PM)MrFizz Wrote: [ -> ]Could fuel price increases be as a result of an awful lot of us not using as much? I used to fill up once a month, with a top up towards the end. Since April last year i've filled up probably 7 or 8 times, so half as much. Sheikh whatsisname is probably panicking as he has a new football club to pay for.
I hope so, the sooner the UK can move away from the insanity of cars and introduce good cycling and public transport infrastructure, the better.
Cycle lanes are just lip service in this country. Council gets a quota of miles to put it, they never seem to make sense, stopping and starting so they are no safer to a cyclist than just being on the road as usual. Needless to say the investment to make something worthwhile would be ridiculously high but then it doesn't even seem that new estates are built with these things in mind.
(11-08-2021, 03:56 PM)AmsterdamBaggie Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2021, 02:02 PM)MrFizz Wrote: [ -> ]Could fuel price increases be as a result of an awful lot of us not using as much? I used to fill up once a month, with a top up towards the end. Since April last year i've filled up probably 7 or 8 times, so half as much. Sheikh whatsisname is probably panicking as he has a new football club to pay for.
I hope so, the sooner the UK can move away from the insanity of cars and introduce good cycling and public transport infrastructure, the better.
Public transport in the West Midlands can be hell-ish, uncomfortable, frequently unsafe. Trains cancelled with no warning, people getting attacked on buses, orderly queues knocked out of the way by latecomers when the bus appears. I've been to quite a few home games this season via public transport and I can't believe what goes on. You could do with an armed guard on every bus.
Funnily enough, it seems to work great in London, wonder why that is?
(11-08-2021, 02:44 PM)Supamart Wrote: [ -> ]I filled up at a supermarket the other day. What surprised me more than the hike in fuel costs, was that diesel and petrol were exactly the same price per litre £1.41.9
Never known that before.
Diesel used to be substantially cheaper than Petrol... Not seen diesel the same as petrol for about 6 years though.
The price of fuel is not controlled by the UK or Europe so let's forget Brexit.
The price is governed by supply and demand.
As China are buying oil stocks AOTS the global stocks are reducing, hence price increases. The OPEC producer's could boost production to increase supply but alas they are happy to let the price rise.
As an aside Russia have failed to meet increased demand for Gas so those global stocks have fallen hence gas prices have increased. Russia are pressurising the EU into giving the go ahead for the new gas lines to be approved and are. Using demand as a political lever.
All help produce electricity so that goes up in price.
All in all energy costs more.
We in the UK have been ripped off for years, both government parties had the ability to prevent any price rises due to us pumping the North Sea dry. But chose to rip us off.
Here end'th the Reminomics lesson for today.
(11-08-2021, 01:44 PM)Protheroe Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2021, 12:54 PM)Kit Kat Chunky Wrote: [ -> ]I'm awaiting delivery of a 3.0 petrol car. I'm dreading it!
It's fine mate. I'm getting 13 mpg from the Mazza V8 and 17 mpg from the Alfa V6 at the moment. None of this water-based E10 crap either - just had to put the tenants' rent up a bit to cover the cost of Shell V Power.
What you getting?
I've been driving 3.0 Diesels for donkeys years, and the latest has achieved 43 MPG during its 30K life over the last 2 years. They are reliable, economical, and fast when you want them to be.
I couldn't get a diesel in the new one, but was offered a stupid deal on a petrol, so I took it. Who is the stupid one now??
(11-08-2021, 04:27 PM)Remi_Moses Wrote: [ -> ]The price of fuel is not controlled by the UK or Europe so let's forget Brexit.
The price is governed by supply and demand.
As China are buying oil stocks AOTS the global stocks are reducing, hence price increases. The OPEC producer's could boost production to increase supply but alas they are happy to let the price rise.
As an aside Russia have failed to meet increased demand for Gas so those global stocks have fallen hence gas prices have increased. Russia are pressurising the EU into giving the go ahead for the new gas lines to be approved and are. Using demand as a political lever.
All help produce electricity so that goes up in price.
All in all energy costs more.
We in the UK have been ripped off for years, both government parties had the ability to prevent any price rises due to us pumping the North Sea dry. But chose to rip us off.
Here end'th the Reminomics lesson for today.
I don't think anyone posting here put forward evidence to suggest it has anything to do with Brexit? Just that it's part of the financial shitstorm coming the way of low to medium income earners, and that those who are emotionally led and with less incisive minds than your good self may be inclined to look for spacegoat.
(11-08-2021, 05:13 PM)Lillwall's left foot Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2021, 04:27 PM)Remi_Moses Wrote: [ -> ]The price of fuel is not controlled by the UK or Europe so let's forget Brexit.
The price is governed by supply and demand.
As China are buying oil stocks AOTS the global stocks are reducing, hence price increases. The OPEC producer's could boost production to increase supply but alas they are happy to let the price rise.
As an aside Russia have failed to meet increased demand for Gas so those global stocks have fallen hence gas prices have increased. Russia are pressurising the EU into giving the go ahead for the new gas lines to be approved and are. Using demand as a political lever.
All help produce electricity so that goes up in price.
All in all energy costs more.
We in the UK have been ripped off for years, both government parties had the ability to prevent any price rises due to us pumping the North Sea dry. But chose to rip us off.
Here end'th the Reminomics lesson for today.
I don't think anyone posting here put forward evidence to suggest it has anything to do with Brexit? Just that it's part of the financial shitstorm coming the way of low to medium income earners, and that those who are emotionally led and with less incisive minds than your good self may be inclined to look for spacegoat.
Exactly, no one said the price of petrol was directly linked to Brexit. It’s the accumulate effect that Brexit will exasperate. Comprehension is also in short supply it seems.
(11-08-2021, 04:10 PM)MassDebater Wrote: [ -> ] (11-08-2021, 02:44 PM)Supamart Wrote: [ -> ]I filled up at a supermarket the other day. What surprised me more than the hike in fuel costs, was that diesel and petrol were exactly the same price per litre £1.41.9
Never known that before.
Diesel used to be substantially cheaper than Petrol... Not seen diesel the same as petrol for about 6 years though.
I think we are short of diesel refining capacity in the UK. We were slow to switch to diesel compared with most of Europe, so the refineries never built up their production. Now it's increasingly the case that UK refineries are shutting down, because they can't compete with imported fuels. What could possibly go wrong???