(10-03-2021, 08:53 AM)JOK Wrote: [ -> ] (10-02-2021, 07:15 AM)baggy1 Wrote: [ -> ]This is getting really tiresome saying this JOK so please a acknowledge it - nobody is saying Brexit is the cause of the driver shortage, but it did make it worse for the UK by cutting off one avenue to relieve the problem. This is proven by the government issuing temporary visas for EU drivers.
So in this instance brexit has made the situation worse
Yes they are, (or have) and inferring that FoM is the only solution and you need to acknowledge that.
So, please, can you answer the questions that nobody seems to want to answer.
If being in the E.U. with FoM is the answer why does Germany, France, Italy et. al. (including Poland and Romania) also have the problem of a shortage of drivers?
Are you happy to make our situation slightly better, to the detriment of other, usually poorer, countries?
Here are a couple of interesting stats given by the Road Haulage Association’
The RHA claims around ‘20,000’ European drivers have left the UK for "Brexit reasons".
There were 40,000 tests cancelled due to Covid last year. with 25,000 fewer candidates passing their test in 2020 than in 2019.
You lost the argument as soon as the government gave notice that EU HGV drivers could get visa’s until Christmas. The same has / will happen in other sectors.
(10-03-2021, 09:15 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2021, 08:53 AM)JOK Wrote: [ -> ] (10-02-2021, 07:15 AM)baggy1 Wrote: [ -> ]This is getting really tiresome saying this JOK so please a acknowledge it - nobody is saying Brexit is the cause of the driver shortage, but it did make it worse for the UK by cutting off one avenue to relieve the problem. This is proven by the government issuing temporary visas for EU drivers.
So in this instance brexit has made the situation worse
Yes they are, (or have) and inferring that FoM is the only solution and you need to acknowledge that.
So, please, can you answer the questions that nobody seems to want to answer.
If being in the E.U. with FoM is the answer why does Germany, France, Italy et. al. (including Poland and Romania) also have the problem of a shortage of drivers?
Are you happy to make our situation slightly better, to the detriment of other, usually poorer, countries?
Here are a couple of interesting stats given by the Road Haulage Association’
The RHA claims around ‘20,000’ European drivers have left the UK for "Brexit reasons".
There were 40,000 tests cancelled due to Covid last year. with 25,000 fewer candidates passing their test in 2020 than in 2019.
You lost the argument as soon as the government gave notice that EU HGV drivers could get visa’s until Christmas. The same has / will happen in other sectors.
They're not even having the same argument, they're fixated on driver shortages and completely ignoring supply chain disruption.
Not sure how my response was boring to be honest, it was two words that addressed the point about your reply.
Let me humour you for a second, what was the relevance of your response? I wasn't denying there has been shipping or manufacturing issues in other countries. I was pointing out that JOK's crap about HGV drivers is a minutiae of a bigger picture. Other European countries have a shortage but are managing their local supply chains. Before 2021 we had a shortage, a long-standing shortage, of HGV drivers but were able to manage our local supply chains. What is the cause of the effect, what is making, as an example, an order I put it get 1 day delayed leaving the single market then a week delayed getting to the Midlands when it's in the UK? I'll give you a hint, previously that order would be carried through, and that driver would carry out cabotage. Now that same driver is delivering to Rotterdam or Calais and going back to Germany. It isn't coming from China, it's coming from the Rhineland. There isn't a delay in it getting manufactured, the production lead times are the same. The global problem is irrelevant, the issues touched in that link you provided are irrelevant.
Same can be said about stuff getting from UK-based suppliers to distributors to end-users, that isn't affected by Chinese factory production or global sea freight.
(10-03-2021, 10:56 AM)Borin' Baggie Wrote: [ -> ]Not sure how my response was boring to be honest, it was two words that addressed the point about your reply.
Let me humour you for a second, what was the relevance of your response? I wasn't denying there has been shipping or manufacturing issues in other countries. I was pointing out that JOK's crap about HGV drivers is a minutiae of a bigger picture. Other European countries have a shortage but are managing their local supply chains. Before 2021 we had a shortage, a long-standing shortage, of HGV drivers but were able to manage our local supply chains. What is the cause of the effect, what is making, as an example, an order I put it get 1 day delayed leaving the single market then a week delayed getting to the Midlands when it's in the UK? I'll give you a hint, previously that order would be carried through, and that driver would carry out cabotage. Now that same driver is delivering to Rotterdam or Calais and going back to Germany. It isn't coming from China, it's coming from the Rhineland. There isn't a delay in it getting manufactured, the production lead times are the same. The global problem is irrelevant, the issues touched in that link you provided are irrelevant.
Same can be said about stuff getting from UK-based suppliers to distributors to end-users, that isn't affected by Chinese factory production or global sea freight.
Come on now stop using reasoned thought and just believe… just look at the quality of those in charge for reassurance…. Oh!
(10-07-2021, 05:24 AM)JOK Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2021, 09:15 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2021, 08:53 AM)JOK Wrote: [ -> ]If being in the E.U. with FoM is the answer why does Germany, France, Italy et. al. (including Poland and Romania) also have the problem of a shortage of drivers?
Are you happy to make our situation slightly better, to the detriment of other, usually poorer, countries?
You lost the argument as soon as the government gave notice that EU HGV drivers could get visa’s until Christmas. The same has / will happen in other sectors.
What argument have I lost, in particular? The one where you inferred Brexit was the cause of the driver shortage or the one where you continually argue that being in the E.U. is the solution? I don’t think so!
You certainly haven’t won any arguments by reason of not answering a myriad of questions put to you to win your precious “argument”.
Go on, have a bash and answer the two pertinent questions I keep asking which no one will.
Are you still trying to argue that Brexit isn’t a cause of our HGV shortage whilst ignoring the governments begging bowl to EU drivers for help. That is gold medal standard mental gymnastics!