(01-29-2021, 11:12 AM)Birdman1811 Wrote: [ -> ]Absolute cunts. Fuck off with your 'support'.
Thankfully it's a small minority who would consider such a thing as acceptable.
At a time when all the supporters need to be behind the team. [shakes head] Everyone matters, you can't do it from the terrace at the moment, but positivity on social media means a lot. There are so many negative post on this group, It's not all over, loads of points to play for yet.. Lets get behind the team, lets get the hairs on the back of your arm standing on edge, Let's get the players sweating blood for the cause, Come on Brom, you can do this !
(01-29-2021, 01:56 PM)baggy1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-29-2021, 01:37 PM)Fido Wrote: [ -> ]I have to admit this kind of sanctimony makes me cringe.
No-one is condoning racism in any shape or form but his non-performances have justly deserved criticism. Just because some wazzock has brought race into it we then get a load of "Actually we were being a little over the top as well, weren't we?" comments. Regardless of where you think he is on the footballing scale in terms of ability the lad has not put in anywhere near the effort of someone playing playing professional football on a ridiculous salary. No, he doesn't pick himself and maybe there aren't too many other options in his position but when they do get picked they should put in 100% effort, no questions asked, and Sawyers has fallen well short in that regard.
Rant over.
Bruntey used to get the same criticism, it appears that if a player isn't built like a sprinter and runs around chasing everything down he is viewed in a different way to one that 'does his best' or is putting in 100%. Sawyers has a lot to learn but he won't be able to do much about his speed and therefore will need to use these experiences to get into position early, he is also young and needs to learn a lot which he will. I'd take a Brunt over a McLean every day of the week and Sawyers gets extra latitude from me because he is one of our own.
(01-29-2021, 12:00 PM)Stevel Knievel Wrote: [ -> ] (01-29-2021, 11:36 AM)Bromley Baggie 2 Wrote: [ -> ]Football doesn't need them, society doesn't need them. Unfortunately, nationalist politics has given these arseholes a sense of legitimacy. People like Trump, Farage, Bolsonaro in Brazil and various others around Europe have shown that "politicians" can freely espouse racist rhetoric and get away with it. This leads to the knuckle-draggers finding their voice, especially through the anonymity of (anti) social media.
Don’t forget the role the blonde mopheaded twat & his chums have played either
I don't think we can criticise Gallagher to be honest in this matter
He's 29. I wouldn't consider that young and still having things to learn as I would do with, say, Harper. If he is not good enough I have no issue with that. His control of a football would suggest otherwise. Watching people ghost past you and feign to stick a leg in the way (or a trip in a dangerous area) is not learning the game, that's not doing your job.
(01-29-2021, 12:21 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: [ -> ]This won't be a popular opinion on here (I'm used to that 
) but let's be honest some of the OTT criticism that he's received on here this season hasn't exactly being very edifying. No it hasn't been racist but imo it has gone too far on occasion. Every miss placed pass, tackle not won is met with a barrage of posts angrily pillorying the player. He doesn't pick himself and even if he is out of his depth it doesn't warrant the zeal some seem to enjoy criticising him with. It doesn't take a huge leap of imagination to see that racist idiots will read and hear the criticism across social media and amongst friends and work colleagues and think that gives them some justification for their Neanderthal opinions. The rhetoric from some should be turned down a notch or two as it doesn't help the situation we are in as club and in turn fans.
(01-29-2021, 01:20 PM)tiptontown Wrote: [ -> ] (01-29-2021, 12:40 PM)Duffers Wrote: [ -> ] (01-29-2021, 12:21 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: [ -> ]This won't be a popular opinion on here (I'm used to that ) but let's be honest some of the OTT criticism that he's received on here this season hasn't exactly being very edifying. No it hasn't been racist but imo it has gone too far on occasion. Every miss placed pass, tackle not won is met with a barrage of posts angrily pillorying the player. He doesn't pick himself and even if he is out of his depth it doesn't warrant the zeal some seem to enjoy criticising him with. It doesn't take a huge leap of imagination to see that racist idiots will read and hear the criticism across social media and amongst friends and work colleagues and think that gives them some justification for their Neanderthal opinions. The rhetoric from some should be turned down a notch or two as it doesn't help the situation we are in as club and in turn fans.
Good post. Agree fully.
Got to agree also. I'm as disappointed as most with his form, but some of the stuff does become over the top and makes you cringe.
Abuse at games is bad enough, bur direct abuse on social media has become a major problem in the modern age..
I disagree.
Although the only social media I partake in is wba forums I think if a player wants to take the plaudits when the going is good they have to take the flak when they are bad.
If I were a footballer I would not go on sm if I couldn't take the rough with the smooth.
The racist shit is obviously just wrong and crosses the line, and it is not a follow on, imo, that that racism is a natural progression of online criticism.
For the record I have had a ST for over 20 years and have never booed anything Albion related at the ground.
However, if I think a player is absolutely dogshit (Oliver Burke) and a lot of money (which we have not got a lot of) I will vent whenever I choose to on here.
If he reads it then maybe he'll stay in practice longer to try and improve instead of rushing off to the golf course.
You can't earn vast amounts (which I don't have an issue with) then also expect to get grovelling we love, you're ace, will you marry me messages.
Criticism is given to everybody not doing their job to the level expected from paper boy to a ceo.
(01-29-2021, 02:09 PM)Fido Wrote: [ -> ]He's 29. I wouldn't consider that young and still having things to learn as I would do with, say, Harper. If he is not good enough I have no issue with that. His control of a football would suggest otherwise. Watching people ghost past you and feign to stick a leg in the way (or a trip in a dangerous area) is not learning the game, that's not doing your job.
Very similar to Brunt at the same age then and has probably hit a point in time when we realises that pace isn't going to help him and needs to learn. IIRC Brunt always had the talent and had to learn to be clever with his positioning. Brunt would be the perfect person to coach him into a better player at this point.
(01-29-2021, 02:22 PM)Madness Wrote: [ -> ]Absolute disgrace.
It is not helping the rest of us or the club generally, that talksport are putting it on their news bulletins every hour.
A total embarrassment.
Name and shame the scumbag and prosecute him. That is the only way to stop this and fine heavily any sm website that does not co operate with the Police in refusing to provide details and IP addresses, etc, etc.
Everybody gets criticised. I get it everday in my job, mostly from people who wouldnt have a clue how to do my job. Footballers are no different. They get criticised by the likes of us who quite frankly haven't got a clue what it takes or what its like to play football professionally. They have to take such criticism on the chin, like i do, and get on with the job.
But when the criticism gets personal, and even worse, racist, thats crossing the line, not to mention illegal. I hope the amoeba responsible gets found and punished.
I'm big enough to admit however that calling him 'the gum chewer', whilst factually correct, is a little uncalled for. Therefore i will do it no more.
(01-29-2021, 02:09 PM)Fido Wrote: [ -> ] (01-29-2021, 01:56 PM)baggy1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-29-2021, 01:37 PM)Fido Wrote: [ -> ]I have to admit this kind of sanctimony makes me cringe.
No-one is condoning racism in any shape or form but his non-performances have justly deserved criticism. Just because some wazzock has brought race into it we then get a load of "Actually we were being a little over the top as well, weren't we?" comments. Regardless of where you think he is on the footballing scale in terms of ability the lad has not put in anywhere near the effort of someone playing playing professional football on a ridiculous salary. No, he doesn't pick himself and maybe there aren't too many other options in his position but when they do get picked they should put in 100% effort, no questions asked, and Sawyers has fallen well short in that regard.
Rant over.
Bruntey used to get the same criticism, it appears that if a player isn't built like a sprinter and runs around chasing everything down he is viewed in a different way to one that 'does his best' or is putting in 100%. Sawyers has a lot to learn but he won't be able to do much about his speed and therefore will need to use these experiences to get into position early, he is also young and needs to learn a lot which he will. I'd take a Brunt over a McLean every day of the week and Sawyers gets extra latitude from me because he is one of our own.
(01-29-2021, 12:00 PM)Stevel Knievel Wrote: [ -> ] (01-29-2021, 11:36 AM)Bromley Baggie 2 Wrote: [ -> ]Football doesn't need them, society doesn't need them. Unfortunately, nationalist politics has given these arseholes a sense of legitimacy. People like Trump, Farage, Bolsonaro in Brazil and various others around Europe have shown that "politicians" can freely espouse racist rhetoric and get away with it. This leads to the knuckle-draggers finding their voice, especially through the anonymity of (anti) social media.
Don’t forget the role the blonde mopheaded twat & his chums have played either
I don't think we can criticise Gallagher to be honest in this matter
He's 29. I wouldn't consider that young and still having things to learn as I would do with, say, Harper. If he is not good enough I have no issue with that. His control of a football would suggest otherwise. Watching people ghost past you and feign to stick a leg in the way (or a trip in a dangerous area) is not learning the game, that's not doing your job.
Massive difference between those critiquing the flaws in his game and those on here who just type “FUCKING HELL SAWYERS!!!” at every conceivable opportunity.
Just read a match thread, it’s always the same few.
The point is though because some shyster sends a racist, personal message then should all previous posts about the player be retracted? I don't know, it all seems a little superficial to me, that's all. It's a message board where we post shite and vent our spleens, that's all.
(01-29-2021, 02:39 PM)Fido Wrote: [ -> ]The point is though because some shyster sends a racist, personal message then should all previous posts about the player be retracted? I don't know, it all seems a little superficial to me, that's all. It's a message board where we post shite and vent our spleens, that's all.
There is no place for racist comments.
But all the rest is fair game. This is a message board, and nobody is beyond valid criticism if it is justifiable.