That's what I'm thinking now but as just mere mortals you have to go with people who understand the virus .
Every single member of the Cabinet send their children to private schools. These won't reopen until September.
From the beginning the government have said we are following the scientists have there been glaring fuck ups by them regarding the virus or have we been totally duped .
Nobodies been duped apart from the idiots who can't see the Tory party blame team moving into full deflect mode. Blame everyone else apart from the people making the decisions, Johnson and crew set up the teams to advise, they chose the members, they didn't take the advice blindly, they carry the can.
(05-18-2020, 08:43 AM)JOK Wrote: [ -> ] (05-18-2020, 08:20 AM)Protheroe Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone with any doubt about the junk science and that's been utilised by the government during this fiasco should read Matthew Syed, Jonathan Sumption and the guy from Risk Capital Partners in The Sunday Times. We've been duped by 'experts'.
A barrister, a Ping Pong playing journalist and a Risk Capital speculator who is salivating over the prospect of picking up some companies going cheap thanks to the crisis.
Yeh, let’s follow their advice, forget scientists.
Well said JOK we have to stop agreeing on things ;
Proth is only doing his Masters bidding though...
I wish anyone and everyone who's last interaction with science was their GCSEs would shut up about scientific analysis, especially when it comes to modelling. It's pretty evident from reading the article that Syed has no idea what he is talking about.
First is his fixation on using the flu as a base for modelling. What other disease can you model against? MERS and SARS have fuck all data to model with and the flu is an airborne respiratory illness that is similar to Covid-19 and spreads in a similar manner. He mentions SARS and MERS but makes no acknowledgment of the fact that their spread was contained in their source countries and their lethality is significantly higher which inhibits spread, to model against them would say the virus would run out of fuel which, based on the fact that it hasn't yet, shows it to be a completely irrelevant point.
Second is Syed not knowing how scientific modelling works, no surprise as he's not a scientist. It isn't about getting a measurable outcome, it's about getting representative trends. You then use these trends to base around the outcome. What the model shows is that if we had done nothing then too many people would have died relative to if we went into lockdown.
Third is him saying that containment wasn't an option, completely ignoring the fact that containment was the first stage of the action plan and failed, hence why we went into lockdown. I distinctly remember the action plan being enacted before the lockdown started with things like washing hands and social distancing being pushed by the government as part of containment.
Fourth is his criticisms regarding the Imperial modelling specifically, the very same model that eliminated the threat of a swine flu epidemic with a much higher infection rate.
The only point he has that is spot on is that the data is being held back to prevent scrutiny by the wider scientific community, but that is a government decision that the scientists have said they disagree with.
Proth, it was a shit article by someone who doesn't know what he's on about.
(05-18-2020, 08:52 AM)The liquidator Wrote: [ -> ]From the beginning the government have said we are following the scientists have there been glaring fuck ups by them regarding the virus or have we been totally duped .
China, scientists don't dictate government policy. That excuse was a transparent attempt at getting the public to blame anyone other than the government.
I also find it a bit hypocritical that you've consistently come out against any criticism of the government response yet now you're criticising the scientists.
Fido and Liq will be on in a minute proclaiming anyone who disagrees with them has been shoed and then not able to back up their assertion.
(05-18-2020, 08:43 AM)JOK Wrote: [ -> ]Yeh, let’s follow their advice, forget scientists.
I take it you haven't actually read any of the articles then.
The 'science' that's taken us into this lockdown is fatally flawed, and we'll all be paying the price for decades to come.
(05-18-2020, 08:55 AM)baggy1 Wrote: [ -> ]Nobodies been duped apart from the idiots who can't see the Tory party blame team moving into full deflect mode. Blame everyone else apart from the people making the decisions, Johnson and crew set up the teams to advise, they chose the members, they didn't take the advice blindly, they carry the can.
I blame the government for being taken in by this shit, and for the wholly disproportionate action they've taken.
No deflection here.
(05-18-2020, 08:57 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: [ -> ]Proth is only doing his Masters bidding though...
Who is my 'Master' Dekka?
(05-18-2020, 09:12 AM)Borin\ Baggie Wrote: [ -> ]Proth, it was a shit article by someone who doesn't know what he's on about.
That's your opinion I suppose. Luke Johnson's piece is revealing. We've saved the NHS at the cost of virrtually everything else in society.
(05-18-2020, 09:31 AM)Protheroe Wrote: [ -> ] (05-18-2020, 08:43 AM)JOK Wrote: [ -> ]Yeh, let’s follow their advice, forget scientists.
I take it you haven't actually read any of the articles then.
The 'science' that's taken us into this lockdown is fatally flawed, and we'll all be paying the price for decades to come.
To paraphrase a great quote; “where did they and you get your degrees in Epidemiology?”.
I don’t need to read an article by Katie Price on Nuclear Physics to know it will be full of sh*t science.