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Chadli
#31
(10-11-2017, 01:37 PM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote:
(10-11-2017, 01:28 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(10-11-2017, 01:22 PM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote: I think people are falling into the trap of conflating 'putting the effort in' with running round like a lunatic. When players like Chadli - more languid players - are out of sorts then it'll look like they can't be arsed. It's the sort of crap people used to throw around about Brunt for his 'poor body language.'

It's not because Brunt doesn't hide where as I saw very little from Chadli that looked like he wanted to make anything happen after his injury. I think some are falling into the Emperors New Clothes trap of suggesting we don't understand a player of that talent. Or bending over backwards to make excuses for him.

I'm talking about the shit Brunt used to get years ago, before everyone saw sense, not the last few years. 

Clearly Chadli wasn't anywhere near his best for the majority of last season, and showed an almost petulant attitude to games at times last season, but people carry on as though he stood with his hands on his hips for 6 months. 

He looked to me like a player struggling to adapt to a new role a lot of the time. He seemed more concerned with where he was standing than how he was actually affecting the game. It's the sameness problem that Odemwingie had during that poor spell under Roy before the 5-1 at Wolves. 

Chadli obviously needs to improve this season but he also needs to be given the chance to flourish, rather than spending too much time worrying about covering the full back. If he's given that chance and still looks complete shit then you won't find me making excuses for him.



Agree with that malc, always said you need to play to his strengths more to get the best out of him. Like you say though, no defending him if he still doesn't have a positive impact on the team.
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#32
(10-11-2017, 12:12 PM)richbaggie Wrote:
(10-11-2017, 11:57 AM)ASOGF Wrote: Sterile is a very apt description of 90 percent of chadlis performances last season. Hopefully he gets his chance and takes it

Being played as a winger covering his full back didn't exactly play to his strengths. 

His best moments came when he was played further forward but they were few and far between.

He plays as a wing back for Belgium...
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#33
(10-11-2017, 12:54 PM)JPeachy Wrote:
(10-11-2017, 12:40 PM)richbaggie Wrote:
(10-11-2017, 12:37 PM)ASOGF Wrote: This had been done to death so many times. It's impossible to play to the strength of every player in the team, Pulis needs to be better at playing to chadlis strengths because he's one of the most talented we have.

Chadli needs to put the effort in regardless of what he is asked to do.

It's both. Ends.

I don't disagree. Play him as a 10, if he doesn't make that work he shouldn't get picked ahead of others.

But is that the no10 that supports the striker or the no10 who's covering both full backs?

There in lies the question. How much licence is a no10 given in a Pulis side? Yes every player has to put the effort in and Chadli is no different but he has to be given the green light to hurt teams and not stiffled due to the shape being too rigid.

Fwiw I don't think he'll start anyway. They'll be a "he's not quite ready" quote I'm sure.

This   On the bench I'd imagine. Unless he's "picked up an injury"
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#34
(10-11-2017, 02:35 PM)Foo Fighters Wrote:
(10-11-2017, 12:54 PM)JPeachy Wrote:
(10-11-2017, 12:40 PM)richbaggie Wrote:
(10-11-2017, 12:37 PM)ASOGF Wrote: This had been done to death so many times. It's impossible to play to the strength of every player in the team, Pulis needs to be better at playing to chadlis strengths because he's one of the most talented we have.

Chadli needs to put the effort in regardless of what he is asked to do.

It's both. Ends.

I don't disagree. Play him as a 10, if he doesn't make that work he shouldn't get picked ahead of others.

But is that the no10 that supports the striker or the no10 who's covering both full backs?

There in lies the question. How much licence is a no10 given in a Pulis side? Yes every player has to put the effort in and Chadli is no different but he has to be given the green light to hurt teams and not stiffled due to the shape being too rigid.

Fwiw I don't think he'll start anyway. They'll be a "he's not quite ready" quote I'm sure.

This   On the bench I'd imagine. Unless he's "picked up an injury"

I'll go with "not played too much recently and needs a break after the internationals.  Don't want to put too much too soon on him and rush him back."

I doubt he'll start despite our pathetic attempts at building an attack this season.
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#35
I will shit in my hands and clap if Chadli starts on Monday.

Mahrez and Albrighton/Gray will ensure that it will be Gibbs & Brunt one side.. Dawson & JMac tother.

Foster
Dawson McAuley Evans Gibbs
Jmac Barry Yacob PIM Brunt

JRod/HRK/Rondon*

*One of
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#36
(10-11-2017, 01:37 PM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote:
(10-11-2017, 01:28 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(10-11-2017, 01:22 PM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote: I think people are falling into the trap of conflating 'putting the effort in' with running round like a lunatic. When players like Chadli - more languid players - are out of sorts then it'll look like they can't be arsed. It's the sort of crap people used to throw around about Brunt for his 'poor body language.'

It's not because Brunt doesn't hide where as I saw very little from Chadli that looked like he wanted to make anything happen after his injury. I think some are falling into the Emperors New Clothes trap of suggesting we don't understand a player of that talent. Or bending over backwards to make excuses for him.

I'm talking about the shit Brunt used to get years ago, before everyone saw sense, not the last few years. 

Clearly Chadli wasn't anywhere near his best for the majority of last season, and showed an almost petulant attitude to games at times last season, but people carry on as though he stood with his hands on his hips for 6 months. 

He looked to me like a player struggling to adapt to a new role a lot of the time. He seemed more concerned with where he was standing than how he was actually affecting the game. It's the sameness problem that Odemwingie had during that poor spell under Roy before the 5-1 at Wolves. 

Chadli obviously needs to improve this season but he also needs to be given the chance to flourish, rather than spending too much time worrying about covering the full back. If he's given that chance and still looks complete shit then you won't find me making excuses for him.

spot on.
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#37
(10-11-2017, 03:08 PM)Dickie Davies Wrote: I will shit in my hands and clap if Chadli starts on Monday.

Mahrez and Albrighton/Gray will ensure that it will be Gibbs & Brunt one side.. Dawson & JMac tother.

Foster
Dawson McAuley Evans Gibbs
Jmac Barry Yacob PIM Brunt

          JRod/HRK/Rondon*

*One of

Be careful what you wish for.........
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#38
He's seeing a back specialist and won't be back in the building until Saturday morning Big Grin
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#39
(10-12-2017, 08:42 AM)ASOGF Wrote: He's seeing a back specialist and won't be back in the building until Saturday morning Big Grin

Considering he couldn’t go to Austria because him and his personal trainer knew best how to keep him fit thats disappointing to hear.
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#40
His personal trainer did a poor job with the injury prevention programme by the looks of it.
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