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#51
A very depressing read. Thank you Proth
I don't think that I shall bother getting out of bed any more
And I am sorry for the libertarian accusation, I am aware that you are not such a thing.
Of course, I do not agree with your analysis of the famine. But you wouldn't expect me to would you?
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(10-10-2017, 09:39 PM)Ossian Wrote: Neither are Social Democracy and Socialism, although the distinction doesn't fit neatly into a simplistic one-liner.

You're right. Social democracy depends on markets to function. The most succesful social democracies in Northern Europe have huge private and mutual involvement in public services. Well done them.

(10-10-2017, 09:44 PM)Donegal Wrote: Of course, I do not agree with your analysis of the famine. But you wouldn't expect me to would you?

I doubt we disagree about the role of the British.
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(10-10-2017, 07:44 AM)Protheroe Wrote:
(10-09-2017, 08:54 PM)Donegal Wrote: Famine ....you don't have to go back far to see the British CapitaLists starving over a million to death
In their own country too
Pick the ones that suit your agenda again Proth
Consistently predictable

I don't consider Ireland in the 19th century as a "functioning market economy", do you?

(10-09-2017, 05:46 PM)Heath Wrote: So does socialism.

Socialism has no redeeming features whatsoever. You don't seem able to give me a single example of a succesful Socialist experiment, but then that would be difficult.

Socialism has plenty of redeeming features. Whether you consider the pros outweigh the cons is a different matter.
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(10-10-2017, 09:48 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(10-10-2017, 09:39 PM)Ossian Wrote: Neither are Social Democracy and Socialism, although the distinction doesn't fit neatly into a simplistic one-liner.

You're right. Social democracy depends on markets to function. The most successful social democracies in Northern Europe have huge private and mutual involvement in public services. Well done them.


My work here is done; I shall return to campaigning for the reintroduction of apex predators and reforestation of our uplands. You will all benefit and, who knows, maybe our children and grandchildren will thank me; posthumously,obviously.

It has been quite something...

(Proth, well done: I know how much it must have hurt, particularly the first bit (winky thing)).
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(10-11-2017, 05:43 PM)Ossian Wrote:
(10-10-2017, 09:48 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(10-10-2017, 09:39 PM)Ossian Wrote: Neither are Social Democracy and Socialism, although the distinction doesn't fit neatly into a simplistic one-liner.

You're right. Social democracy depends on markets to function. The most successful social democracies in Northern Europe have huge private and mutual involvement in public services. Well done them.


My work here is done; I shall return to campaigning for the reintroduction of apex predators and reforestation of our uplands. You will all benefit and, who knows, maybe our children and grandchildren will thank me; posthumously,obviously.

It has been quite something...

(Proth, well done: I know how much it must have hurt, particularly the first bit (winky thing)).

Doesn't hurt at all. The inhabitants of, say, Norway seem happy with the way their country is run. They clearly like the pluralisitic (and substantially better) approach to public services that is so lacking here. The alternative presented by the left here is higher tax for most of us and a no choice of provision. The worst of all worlds.

(10-10-2017, 09:52 PM)Heath Wrote: Socialism has plenty of redeeming features. Whether you consider the pros outweigh the cons is a different matter.

Which features are you thinking of in particular?
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