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#31
(10-09-2017, 11:04 AM)Heath Wrote: People evolve, huh?


No. As Marxism is the antihesis of natural selection. Marxists don't evolve.

(10-09-2017, 09:50 AM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote: Were those deaths not down to tyranny, rather than socialism?

Socialism tends to lead to tyranny.
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#32
(10-09-2017, 11:33 AM)Protheroe Wrote:
(10-09-2017, 11:04 AM)Heath Wrote: People evolve, huh?


No. As Marxism is the antihesis of natural selection. Marxists don't evolve.

(10-09-2017, 09:50 AM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote: Were those deaths not down to tyranny, rather than socialism?

Socialism tends to lead to tyranny.

I agree socialism is far more compatible with tyranny than free market capitalism but to attribute state-sponsored murders to socialism, or even communism, itself would seem a bit of a stretch to me.
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#33
(10-09-2017, 11:43 AM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote: to attribute state-sponsored murders to socialism, or even communism, itself would seem a bit of a stretch to me.

Really? Many tens millions of deaths are due to famine as a direct result of state planning.

There's never been a famine in a functioning market economy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_fam...E2%80%9333
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine
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#34
(10-09-2017, 01:03 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(10-09-2017, 11:43 AM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote: to attribute state-sponsored murders to socialism, or even communism, itself would seem a bit of a stretch to me.

Really? Many tens millions of deaths are due to famine as a direct result of state planning.

There's never been a famine in a functioning market economy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_fam...E2%80%9333
[/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

Can't see how anything there can be attributed to socialism/communism as those are pretty clear cases of tyranny and ineptitude. 

Do fear that we're heading down the road of a semantic debate here, mind...
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#35
We will be confronting first world famine before the end of this century, and population growth - although it will contribute - won't be the biggest factor. Destructive land management practices, unless there is a radical shift, will be the primary cause.
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#36
Thatll no doubt be the fault of Marxists.

Take the current pending crisis with overuse of antibiotics in commercial farming and the impact that is having on drug resistant bacteria.

10m deaths forecast as a result in the next 30 years. Is that the fault of free market capitalism?

Probably doesnt suit the script.

Being so anti-marxist but so pro free-market is failing to realise both have similarly ingrained flaws in their pure forms. Ultimately leading to the same conclusion.
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#37
(10-09-2017, 01:18 PM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote:
(10-09-2017, 01:03 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(10-09-2017, 11:43 AM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote: to attribute state-sponsored murders to socialism, or even communism, itself would seem a bit of a stretch to me.

Really? Many tens millions of deaths are due to famine as a direct result of state planning.

There's never been a famine in a functioning market economy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_fam...E2%80%9333
[/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

Can't see how anything there can be attributed to socialism/communism as those are pretty clear cases of tyranny and ineptitude. 

Do fear that we're heading down the road of a semantic debate here, mind...

Then you haven't read either entry. China's famine was a direct result of Communist central planning, taking peasants out of the fields and into ironworks and changing historical planting regimes. I know this stuff might seem boring, but it's the foundation for Socialism's failure time after time after time after time.

(10-09-2017, 02:38 PM)Heath Wrote: Being so anti-marxist but so pro free-market is failing to realise both have similarly ingrained flaws in their pure forms. Ultimately leading to the same conclusion.

Bullshit Heath. Markets have brought hundreds of millions of the world's poorest out of absolute poverty. Planned economies have done the opposite. You're so one-eyed you can't even see the tragedy playing out in what was the richest country in South America.

Fools on the left always confuse intentions with outcomes. I don't doubt that your intentions and those on the left are honourable. It's simply that none of you can point to a single succesful and enduring Socialist regime anywhere ever.
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#38
If you see it in isolation across a snapshot of time, i'm sure it does look wonderful. Do you think those taken out if absolute poverty who spend 12-15 hours working for next to fuck all are grateful for their new found riches?

Taking people out of such poverty whilst rapidly decemating their resources and knackering their environment is not a one way pavement of gold. Maybe good for them, not for their children.

The irony of you calling me one-eyed is beyond parody. The free market has some positive and negatives. So does socialism. So do most things. That is the nature of life. How you feel about them largely just depends on your experience of them as an individual at a given point in time. If youre daft enough to blindly follow a single ideology as if it is some magical cure all, you will spend your whole life blind.
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#39
(10-09-2017, 01:03 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(10-09-2017, 11:43 AM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote: to attribute state-sponsored murders to socialism, or even communism, itself would seem a bit of a stretch to me.

Really? Many tens millions of deaths are due to famine as a direct result of state planning.

There's never been a famine in a functioning market economy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_fam...E2%80%9333
[/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

Famine ....you don't have to go back far to see the British CapitaLists starving over a million to death
In their own country too
Pick the ones that suit your agenda again Proth
Consistently predictable
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#40
(10-09-2017, 08:54 PM)Donegal Wrote:
(10-09-2017, 01:03 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(10-09-2017, 11:43 AM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote: to attribute state-sponsored murders to socialism, or even communism, itself would seem a bit of a stretch to me.

Really? Many tens millions of deaths are due to famine as a direct result of state planning.

There's never been a famine in a functioning market economy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_fam...E2%80%9333
[/url][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine

Famine ....you don't have to go back far to see the British CapitaLists starving over a million to death
In their own country too
Pick the ones that suit your agenda again Proth
Consistently predictable

Is this what's known as ire-ony?
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