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(03-28-2020, 04:46 PM)Remi_Moses Wrote:
(03-28-2020, 04:24 PM)hudds Wrote:
(03-28-2020, 03:54 PM)TETLEY74 Wrote:
(03-28-2020, 03:19 PM)WWHO Wrote:
(03-28-2020, 11:24 AM)TETLEY74 Wrote: Some of their equipment was better but on the whole their tactics and inter service cooperation was, far superior to ours in the early years of the war, the army, navy & Raf all operated totaly independently with little or no thought of cross service cooperation in fact a lot of senior officers actively discouraged it especially the army and Raf, the warmacht and luftwaffe combined arounour and air support to devastating effect in the early years to a level we couldn't or wouldn't match. However on a manufacturing level even as early as 1940 during the battle of Britain we were producing far more aircraft than German factories and once the Usa  entered the war with unrestricted production there was only ever going  he one out come even allowing for the uboat threat which almost at one point severed the supply lines from the USA.

Although much of our kit was seemingly superior, our production levels and efficiency rates were by far worse. The average spitfire, for example, took 13,000 man hours to produce whilst the Messerschmidt took only 4,000.

The UK in 1940  produced over 15k aircraft to just under 8k by Germany, in fact UK aircraft production outstripped Germany in every year from 39 to 45 except 1944 when German production exceeded ours. A lot of German hardware was superior than the allies equipment but they were so obsessed with making everything technically superior it often drastically cut output and in many cases produced equipment that was superior but total unreliable, the Panzer mk v or panther tank being a perfect example, pound for pound probaly the best alround tank produced during the war but broke down almost continuously due to its complexity of design. Sorry for going off on a tangent here but WW2 history fascinates me.
In 1940 (and a few years leading up), British policy had been to build fighters rather than bombers, which are obviously quicker to produce than bigger, multi-engined bombers.  The British policy was to test "the bomber always gets through" doctrine of Douhet and Billy Mitchell prevalent in the pre-war years.

When I was Works Engineer at Coventry Presswork - in the work dungeons many rooms had old components that were rumoured to
be from Blenheim bombers. Most were rusted out and looked as though they had been stored for many years. 
Again no written details were available but Coventry preswork and Coventry Radiaotor sites were designated as military manufacturing sites during WW2. Again it was rumoured that plane wings were made and asembled on site.
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#32
(03-28-2020, 05:02 PM)Fido Wrote:
(03-28-2020, 04:47 PM)cornishbaggie Wrote:
(03-28-2020, 04:20 PM)Remi_Moses Wrote: The German prepared from the minute the first world war ended.
It is recorded that Hitler's new plan for world dominance was declared in 1923
They built up forces, arms for many years before the war began - we didn't think such a terrible event could happen again.
The public today don't realise Germany invaded Austria and Czech before Poland.
We together with France declared war a few days after they invaded Poland.  The Germans had already signed treaties with
Russia / Italy / Japan prior to invading Poland.
IMO the younger generation should be taught the events at school and although we can forgive nothing should ever be forgotten.
i would guess most youngster have no idea that 60 million died and 6 million Jews were executed or the details behind it.

Agree with Psalm that the World at War is a must watch for everyone at some time.

Not true, The Anschluss came about with the unification of the Germanic nations, something that was always wanted by all Germans, but was forbidden at the Treaty of Versailles in 1919, The Sudetenland was a territory that was stripped from Austria as part of draconian reparations imposed by the winners over the losers at the end of WW1, this left Germans living under Czech rule. Neither territory were invaded.

That’s maybe why the public doesn’t realise it then.

I bow to anyone who knows the detail. I was under the impression they walked unopposed into Austria and claimed Czech as a part 
of Germany with military occupation. Poland was different using it's own people against it's own people and Russia were also invited
to join the occupation following the invasion - unless my history memories are fading. I'm happy to be corrected.
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#33
The Germans went far beyond the Sudetenland and invaded Czechoslovakia in Match 1939
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(03-28-2020, 05:39 PM)Pickle Rick Wrote: The Germans went far beyond the Sudetenland and invaded Czechoslovakia in Match 1939

Correct, but that was not the German populated Sudetenland that was stripped from Austria that we were talking about.
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(03-28-2020, 05:50 PM)cornishbaggie Wrote:
(03-28-2020, 05:39 PM)Pickle Rick Wrote: The Germans went far beyond the Sudetenland and invaded Czechoslovakia in Match 1939

Correct, but that was not the German populated Sudetenland that was stripped from Austria that we were talking about.

Remi just said Germany invaded Czech and Austria before Poland which is true. They invaded Austria in 38 despite opposition and the referendum on unification being cancelled and subsequently held a plebiscite on it after they marched in. And they invaded all of Czechoslovakia after the agreed annexation of Sudetenland (and its defences).
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#36
Bloody germans .
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#37
(03-28-2020, 06:24 PM)The liquidator Wrote: Bloody germans .

The fuckers bombed our chippy.   Big Grin

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(03-28-2020, 06:45 PM)Psalm23 Wrote:
(03-28-2020, 06:24 PM)The liquidator Wrote: Bloody germans .

The fuckers bombed our chippy.   Big Grin

Yes but those fuckers were Messerschmitts  Big Grin
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