Labour Party loses the election but wins the argument
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(03-12-2020, 11:12 AM)Shabby Russian Wrote: It seems we are all adherents of Keynes now.

Small victories and that.

It's a Marxist budget.  Where is the money coming from?  Won't be the big guys who can wriggle out of paying their taxes; be the ordinary worker....  Sajid is FUMING.  FUMING!  Anybody else?
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#12
A photo popped up on twitter with that idiot burgon is his name with all the socialists that lost the last election are they fucking stupid or dont give a fuck what the people think about their policies
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#13
(03-12-2020, 02:56 PM)The liquidator Wrote: A photo popped up on twitter with that idiot burgon is his name with all the socialists that lost the last election are they fucking stupid or dont give a fuck what the people think about their policies

Where’s this magic money tree then China? If Labour had proposed this budget that’s exactly what you would be asking / saying!
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(03-12-2020, 03:08 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(03-12-2020, 02:56 PM)The liquidator Wrote: A photo popped up on twitter with that idiot burgon is his name with all the socialists that lost the last election are they fucking stupid or dont give a fuck what the people think about their policies

Where’s this magic money tree then China? If Labour had proposed this budget that’s exactly what you would be asking / saying!
And exactly what you would have greeted  with deathly silence!
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(03-12-2020, 07:41 PM)JOK Wrote:
(03-12-2020, 03:08 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(03-12-2020, 02:56 PM)The liquidator Wrote: A photo popped up on twitter with that idiot burgon is his name with all the socialists that lost the last election are they fucking stupid or dont give a fuck what the people think about their policies

Where’s this magic money tree then China? If Labour had proposed this budget that’s exactly what you would be asking / saying!
And exactly what you would have greeted  with deathly silence!

Mystic Mogg has spoken!
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(03-12-2020, 09:15 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(03-12-2020, 07:41 PM)JOK Wrote:
(03-12-2020, 03:08 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(03-12-2020, 02:56 PM)The liquidator Wrote: A photo popped up on twitter with that idiot burgon is his name with all the socialists that lost the last election are they fucking stupid or dont give a fuck what the people think about their policies

Where’s this magic money tree then China? If Labour had proposed this budget that’s exactly what you would be asking / saying!
And exactly what you would have greeted  with deathly silence!

Mystic Mogg has spoken!
As per usual, when totally stymied and have no answer, your response is to post meaningless drivel!

Strange to tie me with the epithet “mystic” as, since 2016, you have revelled in the terms: ‘predicted’, ‘estimated’, ‘possibly’, ‘it’s believed’, ‘potentially’, ‘assumed’ and prefer to give equal weight to anecdotal  evidence with empirical evidence.
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(03-11-2020, 08:50 PM)Logic1 Wrote: So after a lost decade, the Tory's have finally realised that austerity is counter productive. Will it take them another 10 years to realise that Brexit is equally as stupid?

Today, we had a good budget all things considered but I'm not convinced that building roads and filling in potholes is about to create a northern economic boom. Hence, Labour will have an opportunity.

Also, why have we been building massive aircraft carriers etc. Instead of preparing for a virus such as this? This might not be the Tory's fault but neither was the Great Recession and Financial Crisis Labour's fault. However, the Tory's are guilty by association and may end up being punished as Labour did.

Yeah, how dare the Government not plan for an event no-one could have predicted. It's not the Tories' fault that no-one saw it coming.

As for whether Labour were to blame for the crash? Well, they deregulated far more than even Thatcher. So maybe their hands are not entirely clean.

It's also your opinion about Brexit. It might be great. It might be awful. One thing's guaranteed, though, if hindsight vindicates it there will still be hardcore remainers arguing differently.
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(03-12-2020, 11:51 PM)Neil Parsley Wrote:
(03-11-2020, 08:50 PM)Logic1 Wrote: So after a lost decade, the Tory's have finally realised that austerity is counter productive. Will it take them another 10 years to realise that Brexit is equally as stupid?

Today, we had a good budget all things considered but I'm not convinced that building roads and filling in potholes is about to create a northern economic boom. Hence, Labour will have an opportunity.

Also, why have we been building massive aircraft carriers etc. Instead of preparing for a virus such as this? This might not be the Tory's fault but neither was the Great Recession and Financial Crisis Labour's fault. However, the Tory's are guilty by association and may end up being punished as Labour did.

Yeah, how dare the Government not plan for an event no-one could have predicted. It's not the Tories' fault that no-one saw it coming.

As for whether Labour were to blame for the crash? Well, they deregulated far more than even Thatcher. So maybe their hands are not entirely clean.

It's also your opinion about Brexit. It might be great. It might be awful. One thing's guaranteed, though, if hindsight vindicates it there will still be hardcore remainers arguing differently.
Yep, the irony of the OPs username always makes me shake my head.
So, a government quickly begins to honour its manifesto and it’s criticised. If they had carried on with frugality it would be criticised. I think the Budget contained a little more than “building roads and filling in pot holes”. Building aircraft carriers created and maintained jobs and expertise. I wonder what Logic’s personal finances are like. If he lost his job (if he has one) would he cut his cloth to suit or carry on with his same budget, spending money he no longer has! “Oh no, I’m tens of thousands of pounds a year down and all my savings have gone. I know, I’ll book a world cruise and put an extension on the house. That’ll get me out of trouble “! 
Your wrong, obviously, NP. The Labour, LibDems and SNP parties for-saw this new virus but didn’t bother to warn anybody. Can Logic enlighten us as to which governments in the world did foresee and had prepared plans for this inevitable event? The Centre Left / Anarchist alliance in Italy have done a grand job, haven’t they?
Shutting schools before being necessary for weeks will jeopardise the jobs of all those parents who will have to stay at home to look after the children. Their employers will suffer. Restricting movement and businesses could sound the death knell to many small ones, leading to the economy suffering more than it needs to. Judging by the ridiculous panic buying, I could foresee much unrest and outcry on social media if towns or even whole regions were locked down for any length of time.
Still, let’s indulge in a partisan rant and dig at Brexit.
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#19
(03-12-2020, 11:05 PM)JOK Wrote:
(03-12-2020, 09:15 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(03-12-2020, 07:41 PM)JOK Wrote:
(03-12-2020, 03:08 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(03-12-2020, 02:56 PM)The liquidator Wrote: A photo popped up on twitter with that idiot burgon is his name with all the socialists that lost the last election are they fucking stupid or dont give a fuck what the people think about their policies

Where’s this magic money tree then China? If Labour had proposed this budget that’s exactly what you would be asking / saying!
And exactly what you would have greeted  with deathly silence!

Mystic Mogg has spoken!
As per usual, when totally stymied and have no answer, your response is to post meaningless drivel!

Strange to tie me with the epithet “mystic” as, since 2016, you have revelled in the terms: ‘predicted’, ‘estimated’, ‘possibly’, ‘it’s believed’, ‘potentially’, ‘assumed’ and prefer to give equal weight to anecdotal  evidence with empirical evidence.

You’re going to have to show me where I have posted threads praising Labour under Corbyn or being overly complimentary of their policies. The fact austerity achieved fuck all but misery to those who could least afford it and had least influence over the causes of it. What’s the end result? A sluggish to flatlining economy before the Coronavirus and an admittance the government has to spend on all the areas it neglected and cut to the bone. It’s a decent budget but it only looks to address the problems austerity created in the first place. The argument about fiscal prudence is now null and void.
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(03-13-2020, 01:17 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(03-12-2020, 11:05 PM)JOK Wrote:
(03-12-2020, 09:15 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(03-12-2020, 07:41 PM)JOK Wrote:
(03-12-2020, 03:08 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: Where’s this magic money tree then China? If Labour had proposed this budget that’s exactly what you would be asking / saying!
And exactly what you would have greeted  with deathly silence!

Mystic Mogg has spoken!
As per usual, when totally stymied and have no answer, your response is to post meaningless drivel!

Strange to tie me with the epithet “mystic” as, since 2016, you have revelled in the terms: ‘predicted’, ‘estimated’, ‘possibly’, ‘it’s believed’, ‘potentially’, ‘assumed’ and prefer to give equal weight to anecdotal  evidence with empirical evidence.

You’re going to have to show me where I have posted threads praising Labour under Corbyn or being overly complimentary of their policies. The fact austerity achieved fuck all but misery to those who could least afford it and had least influence over the causes of it. What’s the end result? A sluggish to flatlining economy before the Coronavirus and an admittance the government has to spend on all the areas it neglected and cut to the bone. It’s a decent budget but it only looks to address the problems austerity created in the first place. The argument about fiscal prudence is now null and void.

You’re going to have to show me where I have said you have. Though, if I recall, they were your ‘least worst’ tactical vote in the last G.E.  I simply like to point out your constant negative biased bile against one lot but never enlighten us as to who you think is a better option. 
Dek, I know you openly admit your negative biases and hatred for the Cons. and your enthusiastic and repetitive love of imparting it to us. I accept you wish to do so. I just ask you accept my predilection to call you out and add balance. (A common trait, I’m afraid, of a student of history.)
 Nearly dropped my cork leg at your “decent budget “ comment.  [Image: wink.png] 
I have tried to think of a decent analogy for the “only addresses the problems” comment. Sorry, the best I can come up with is; if you break a leg the only thing you can do is, when the plaster comes off, to strengthen the muscles in that leg again. (Laboured, I know. Cameron was the break, May, the plaster and we can only hope, Boris the weight training) [Corbyn or Swanson would have been like contracting MRSA]
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