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#51
With all the scinanigans that the loony left tried you still couldn't get what you wanted ..
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#52
(03-06-2020, 07:58 PM)The liquidator Wrote: With all the scinanigans that the loony left tried you still couldn't get what you wanted ..

‘Loony left?’ So Remainers were loony left?  Big Grin Big Grin Big Grin
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#53
Well you said brexiteers were right wing .
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#54
(03-07-2020, 02:10 AM)The liquidator Wrote: Well you said brexiteers were right wing .

In the context of this thread what would you call the ERG and the likes of Priti Patel?
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#55
(03-06-2020, 04:29 PM)Shabby Russian Wrote: The civil service are fast becoming another target for the Government to blame for the ills of the world, and an easy one to has they cannot go public with their point of view. 

The civil service is the greatest impediment to change in this country. Particularly in the current circumstances.

It would be the same if Labour were in office.
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#56
(03-07-2020, 12:50 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(03-06-2020, 04:29 PM)Shabby Russian Wrote: The civil service are fast becoming another target for the Government to blame for the ills of the world, and an easy one to has they cannot go public with their point of view. 

The civil service is the greatest impediment to change in this country. Particularly in the current circumstances.

It would be the same if Labour were in office.

What absolute load of bollocks
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#57
(03-07-2020, 12:50 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(03-06-2020, 04:29 PM)Shabby Russian Wrote: The civil service are fast becoming another target for the Government to blame for the ills of the world, and an easy one to has they cannot go public with their point of view. 

The civil service is the greatest impediment to change in this country. Particularly in the current circumstances.

It would be the same if Labour were in office.

Really can't agree with this. Particularly with regard to The Home Office who do not seem to have a history of standing in the way of  Government policy - from Labour's ASBO policy to The Tories Hostile Environment Policy.

This just may come down to this that Patel as a minister is out of her depth. Just because you are a very able politician with a capacity to come up with 'good' policy does not mean you will be any good at managing a Government Department.

There is a theory that Johnson knows this, and that is why he has left Kit Malthouse at the Home Office as a 'safe pair of hands', when given his close relationship to Johnson he may have expected a cabinet position.
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#58
(03-07-2020, 07:22 PM)HeathAyIt Wrote: What absolute load of bollocks

Insightful as ever.
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#59
(03-08-2020, 01:19 PM)Shabby Russian Wrote:
(03-07-2020, 12:50 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(03-06-2020, 04:29 PM)Shabby Russian Wrote: The civil service are fast becoming another target for the Government to blame for the ills of the world, and an easy one to has they cannot go public with their point of view. 

The civil service is the greatest impediment to change in this country. Particularly in the current circumstances.

It would be the same if Labour were in office.

Really can't agree with this. Particularly with regard to The Home Office who do not seem to have a history of standing in the way of  Government policy - from Labour's ASBO policy to The Tories Hostile Environment Policy.

This just may come down to this that Patel as a minister is out of her depth. Just because you are a very able politician with a capacity to come up with 'good' policy does not mean you will be any good at managing a Government Department.

There is a theory that Johnson knows this, and that is why he has left Kit Malthouse at the Home Office as a 'safe pair of hands', when given his close relationship to Johnson he may have expected a cabinet position.

The reason Protheroe thinks she’s a great politician is simply down to them sharing the same ideology. It has absolutely nothing to do with with her achievements or ability to do the job. The demonising of Civil Service is yet another attempt to make scapegoats out of everyone but themselves when they fail to deliver and the wheels fall off their arguments.
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#60
From the left, I have some agreement with proth: the inertia and resistance to change is always a problem.

I have direct experience of a government minister agreeing a policy change on downstream oils supply that would give better front end fuel resilience only to be stymied by senior Treasury civil servants who simply feared change; they could give no legal or rational reasons to resist. I had to beat them up in meetings and go to law (and won at FTT). This is just one example of how they behave.
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