What's better since 2010 Update
#11
(02-26-2020, 10:24 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(02-25-2020, 08:07 PM)JOK Wrote:
(02-25-2020, 03:00 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(02-25-2020, 02:00 PM)JOK Wrote: Originality of Dekka’s posts. Nope.

Originality of JOK’s answer as he can’t think of one.

Takes hat off, places it firmly back on then wanders off shaking head...

The question was, what has improved since 2010 in the UK? All the whataboutery in your reply does is back up the argument that very little has. It’s a complete cop out to say oh it’s a global problem so you can excuse our governments failures / inertia / lack of progress. 

As for your argument about Brexit, we still haven’t left, come back to me a year post Brexit and let’s reassess. Still waiting for the ‘Sun lit uplands’.
It wasn’t really a question though was it? It was just your usual daily rant at one hue of politician. (which is becoming really, really tedious).  In fact, my initial post was quite apposite as this is the third time you have posted exactly the same thing.
01/05/’19 & 18/03/’19
https://wbaunofficial.org.uk/showthread.php?tid=3607
https://wbaunofficial.org.uk/showthread.php?tid=2875
 
I didn’t argue about Brexit, (do read posts properly) I pointed out that your assertion that the E.U. defends human rights is bogus. Can you explain why the Conservatives, having had 10 years to dismantle social services, haven’t?  Why do we still have, in many areas, far better provision than a good half of the E.U. member states?
Whilst you are on, how has the E.U. protected the LBQT community in nearly 100 Polish municipal or local governments this week? Ignored that, didn’t you?
Can you really believe that any U.K. government would attack disability or LBQT rights? Can you seriously envisage a UK government doing a ‘Poland’? If so, you are more deluded than even I thought. Would the populace stand for it?
How do you square your insistence that in the UK the “Disabled are treated appallingly” (1/5/2019)  with the statement I quoted from the Papworth Trust, saying “The UK is one of the more progressive of the 28 EU member states when it comes to the treatment of the disabled.”? Another fact you chose to ignore.
As for social cohesion, you are a classic example of why division is lingering with your constant reiteration of your two pet hates and prejudices and deriding, disrespectfully, of those who do not share your particular bile.
As for me copping out. Again, please read all the post. I specifically didn’t “excuse” our government.
 
Oh. You wanted something which has improved since 2010. How about this. (I wonder if it was mere coincidence that you chose to leave housing of your list this post. In your words,  Nope)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-51577853
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#12
Low interest rates, if you have loans and a mortgage
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#13
Er, top ten percent have got much richer and the wealth gap increased ?
Assets done very well and landlords have pumped the housing market.
Gated communities have flourished and become if better places to live.
Selfish ignorant wnkrs seem to have prospered and are moulding the country into their dream.
Lying has become fashionable and even a must if you are to get on.
Must be more......

(02-27-2020, 11:37 AM)Gzbaggy Wrote: Low interest rates, if you have loans and a mortgage

But no good if you want to pay off your mortgage as inflation has been so low so wage increases haven’t eaten into the monthly payments. No good to savers.
The true value of money and stocks has been lost as QE has totally distorted the market and real price signals to raise or lower rates are lost.
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#14
(02-27-2020, 09:57 AM)JOK Wrote:
(02-26-2020, 10:24 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(02-25-2020, 08:07 PM)JOK Wrote:
(02-25-2020, 03:00 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(02-25-2020, 02:00 PM)JOK Wrote: Originality of Dekka’s posts. Nope.

Originality of JOK’s answer as he can’t think of one.

Takes hat off, places it firmly back on then wanders off shaking head...

The question was, what has improved since 2010 in the UK? All the whataboutery in your reply does is back up the argument that very little has. It’s a complete cop out to say oh it’s a global problem so you can excuse our governments failures / inertia / lack of progress. 

As for your argument about Brexit, we still haven’t left, come back to me a year post Brexit and let’s reassess. Still waiting for the ‘Sun lit uplands’.
It wasn’t really a question though was it? It was just your usual daily rant at one hue of politician. (which is becoming really, really tedious).  In fact, my initial post was quite apposite as this is the third time you have posted exactly the same thing.
01/05/’19 & 18/03/’19
https://wbaunofficial.org.uk/showthread.php?tid=3607
https://wbaunofficial.org.uk/showthread.php?tid=2875
 
I didn’t argue about Brexit, (do read posts properly) I pointed out that your assertion that the E.U. defends human rights is bogus. Can you explain why the Conservatives, having had 10 years to dismantle social services, haven’t?  Why do we still have, in many areas, far better provision than a good half of the E.U. member states?
Whilst you are on, how has the E.U. protected the LBQT community in nearly 100 Polish municipal or local governments this week? Ignored that, didn’t you?
Can you really believe that any U.K. government would attack disability or LBQT rights? Can you seriously envisage a UK government doing a ‘Poland’? If so, you are more deluded than even I thought. Would the populace stand for it?
How do you square your insistence that in the UK the “Disabled are treated appallingly” (1/5/2019)  with the statement I quoted from the Papworth Trust, saying “The UK is one of the more progressive of the 28 EU member states when it comes to the treatment of the disabled.”? Another fact you chose to ignore.
As for social cohesion, you are a classic example of why division is lingering with your constant reiteration of your two pet hates and prejudices and deriding, disrespectfully, of those who do not share your particular bile.
As for me copping out. Again, please read all the post. I specifically didn’t “excuse” our government.
 
Oh. You wanted something which has improved since 2010. How about this. (I wonder if it was mere coincidence that you chose to leave housing of your list this post. In your words,  Nope)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-51577853

JOK you take this far too seriously. 

For everyone of your examples there is a contrary point of view / study / report. You can still find people who believe the Earth is flat and have written a report about it. 

You mention disability and quote me with a date (crikey that’s taking it too far) and here’s a report that backs my opinion up Appalling. You see we can all point to information that back us up. The argument that the U.K. treats the disabled well compared to other E.U. countries is moot point with regards to my original question. As are all the others you quote regarding how another country acts / legislates etc. 

Regarding social security and this government and the two previously it’s clear that Universal Credit has had very bad teething problems and created hardship for not only those not working but also those that are but still cannot make ends meet on these marvellous ‘gig’ economy jobs. Do I have to link to a report about this as well to back up the bleeding obvious?

I have seen first hand the services I mentioned suffer over the last decade and comparing us favourably to Poland or Romania (no disrespect to them) is irrelevant and yes a complete cop-out to my original question ‘what has improved since 2010?’ Isn’t that the point about being in government to make things better for nation perhaps not just the well off?
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#15
The answers to questIons like this depend on whether you’re looking purely for empirical statistics or the evidence of your own observations; the latter possibly less quantifiable but certainly no less valid.

Social Services have clearly been impacted by the cuts to Local Authority funding from central government; I doubt anyone would seriously argue otherwise. In the case of Dudley MBC the quoted figure had reached 47% by 2016.  Inevitably this impacted not only on directly delivered services but also those of secondary providers - ones like the charity I used to work for. Some services we had to curtail, others discontinue altogether.

It would similarly require a head in the sand moment to suggest that the disastrous attempts at rolling out Universal Credit haven’t impacted adversely on some of the most vulnerable. The fact that this was initially - like it or not - underscored by a dismissive laissez faire attitude merely added insult to injury. There are reasons why the perceptions of Iain Duncan Smith are what they are.

Empirically? Well homelessness in England, despite being down from its 2017 peak, is still around two and a half times its 2010 level which - whatever the myriad causes - ought to be a source of shame to whoever has been in government during those ten years.
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#16
(02-27-2020, 01:46 PM)Ossian Wrote: The answers to questIons like this depend open whether you’re looking purely for empirical statistics or the evidence of your own observations; the latter possibly less quantifiable but certainly no less valid.

Social Services have clearly been impacted by the cuts to Local Authority funding from central government; I doubt anyone would seriously argue otherwise. In the case of Dudley MBC the quoted figure had reached 47% by 2016.  Inevitably this impacted not only on directly delivered services but also those of secondary providers - ones like the charity I used to work for. Some services we had to curtail, others discontinue altogether.

It would similarly require a head in the sand moment to suggest that the disastrous attempts at rolling out Universal Credit haven’t impacted adversely on some of the most vulnerable. The fact that this was initially - like it or not - underscored by a dismissive laissez faire attitude merely added insult to injury. There are reasons why the perceptions of Iain Duncan Smith are what they are.

Empirically? Well homelessness in England, despite being down from its 2017 peak, is still around two and a half times its 2010 level which - whatever the myriad causes - ought to be a source of shame to whoever has been in government during those ten years.

Exactly. I fear another a graph is on the horizon...
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#17
(02-27-2020, 12:48 PM)EastMidsBaggie Wrote: Er, top ten percent have got much richer and the wealth gap increased ?
Assets done very well and landlords have pumped the housing market.
Gated communities have flourished and become if better places to live.
Selfish ignorant wnkrs seem to have prospered and are moulding the country into their dream.
Lying has become fashionable and even a must if you are to get on.
Must be more......

(02-27-2020, 11:37 AM)Gzbaggy Wrote: Low interest rates, if you have loans and a mortgage

But no good if you want to pay off your mortgage as inflation has been so low so wage increases haven’t eaten into the monthly payments. No good to savers.
The true value of money and stocks has been lost as QE has totally distorted the market and real price signals to raise or lower rates are lost.

i cannot agree with your comments on mortgages, savings on repayments because of lower rates can be used to pay of the mortgage earlier
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#18
(02-27-2020, 06:14 PM)Gzbaggy Wrote:
(02-27-2020, 12:48 PM)EastMidsBaggie Wrote: But no good if you want to pay off your mortgage as inflation has been so low so wage increases haven’t eaten into the monthly payments. No good to savers.
The true value of money and stocks has been lost as QE has totally distorted the market and real price signals to raise or lower rates are lost.

i cannot agree with your comments on mortgages, savings on repayments because of lower rates can be used to pay of the mortgage earlier

East Mids is correct, neither wage inflation nor general inflation has eaten into monthly repayments. All low interest rates have done is accelerate house prices, making housing (and other assets) even less affordable.

Blame Brown, Osborne and Carney for supressing interest rates.
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#19
FAO JOK Better than Bulgaria I bet!
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#20
Socialism is further away from being accepted in the UK as a good idea now than it was in 2010 - that's a good thing!
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