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#31
(06-30-2017, 08:17 AM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote:
(06-29-2017, 05:44 PM)Protheroe Wrote: I'm sure the local fire station / hospital will be happy to receive donations from you all.

What an utter bullshit argument. Akin to not being able to criticise footballers because they're better at the game than you are

I don't follow that logic at all.
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#32
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(06-29-2017, 05:46 PM)Montserratbaggie Wrote:
(06-29-2017, 05:44 PM)Protheroe Wrote: I'm sure the local fire station / hospital will be happy to receive donations from you all.

It is usually called tax.

Ah, I pay enough of that thanks.
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If HMRC collected the proper amount of tax from corporate groups your minimal payments would decrease.

https://qz.com/602080/google-struck-a-ta...-hook-yet/
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#33
(06-29-2017, 05:44 PM)Protheroe Wrote: I'm sure the local fire station / hospital will be happy to receive donations from you all.

Do you think firefighters and nurses are suitably paid then, Proth?
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#34
(06-29-2017, 08:04 PM)Donegal Wrote:
(06-29-2017, 05:46 PM)Montserratbaggie Wrote:
(06-29-2017, 05:44 PM)Protheroe Wrote: I'm sure the local fire station / hospital will be happy to receive donations from you all.

It is usually called tax.

That's the way Proth and his mates want it. Public services run on charity basis with voluntary donations rather than be properly funded by tax
Watch it trickle down!


Proth prefers to invest his money in shares in cigarette companies, as he's told us before. Are they still turning a nice profit for you?
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#35
(06-30-2017, 12:10 PM)chasetownbaggie Wrote:
(06-29-2017, 05:44 PM)Protheroe Wrote: I'm sure the local fire station / hospital will be happy to receive donations from you all.

Do you think firefighters and nurses are suitably paid then, Proth?

Yes. So do they, or they'd be leaving those two jobs in droves.

(06-30-2017, 12:28 PM)Old Stroller Wrote: Proth prefers to invest his money in shares in cigarette companies, as he's told us before. Are they still turning a nice profit for you?

Dividends on fags are alright. Prospective polyhalite mining in the North York Moors has been more lucrative though.
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#36
Well if Proth thinks this is acceptable, I don't know what to say

New doctor's basic salary
2010 - 22,412
2016 - 22,636

Band 5 nurse's salary
2010 - 21,176
2016 - 21,692

£1 in 2010 worth 81p in 2016 terms
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#37
(07-01-2017, 06:05 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(06-30-2017, 12:10 PM)chasetownbaggie Wrote:
(06-29-2017, 05:44 PM)Protheroe Wrote: I'm sure the local fire station / hospital will be happy to receive donations from you all.

Do you think firefighters and nurses are suitably paid then, Proth?

Yes. So do they, or they'd be leaving those two jobs in droves.

(06-30-2017, 12:28 PM)Old Stroller Wrote: Proth prefers to invest his money in shares in cigarette companies, as he's told us before. Are they still turning a nice profit for you?

Dividends on fags are alright. Prospective polyhalite mining in the North York Moors has been more lucrative though.

Ffs!
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#38
(07-01-2017, 06:59 PM)Donegal Wrote: Well if Proth thinks this is acceptable, I don't know what to say

New doctor's basic salary
2010 - 22,412
2016 - 22,636

Band 5 nurse's salary
2010 - 21,176
2016 - 21,692

£1 in 2010 worth 81p in 2016 terms

In that time how many nurses have remained on the same spine point in Band 5? Not many, if any.

How many Doctors are still on the same grade as they were in 2010? None.

And in that time how much have private sector (and other public sector) workers wages increased? Exactly.

How much LESS tax does a new doctor / Band 5 pay nurse pay? Exactly.

On average private sector wages are 4% higher for equivalent jobs in the public sector (ONS). Add in the pension, job security, holidays and other benefits from public sector workers and you soon see which group is better off.

We can all tell half a story to show how much we care Donny. These are not normal times, we have a Bank of England trying to inflate away debt, whilst encouraging us to take out more loans yet demanding the banks make more provision for bad debt. We are still spending far more than we raise in tax revenue - despite the tax burden rising to its highest level since the 1980s.

It's really really easy to make a case for increasing the wages of 'virtuous employees'. But the rest of us will end up paying for it one way or the other - and our wages won't be increased to compensate for more tax or higher prices owing to higher Corporation Tax. And do you think the street lighting engineers won't want more, or the social workers, or the binmen?

I posted on this very board (whatever incarnation) in 2008, that if the Labour government chose to bail out the banks then we would ALL have to get used to being a little bit poorer. That's one (possibly the only) prediction I've absolutely nailed in the last decade. There's no use bleating about it now, it's done. More tax, and particulalry even more debt will only make things worse.

And it's 85p by the way.
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#39
(07-02-2017, 06:41 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(07-01-2017, 06:59 PM)Donegal Wrote: Well if Proth thinks this is acceptable, I don't know what to say

New doctor's basic salary
2010 - 22,412
2016 - 22,636

Band 5 nurse's salary
2010 - 21,176
2016 - 21,692

£1 in 2010 worth 81p in 2016 terms

In that time how many nurses have remained on the same spine point in Band 5? Not many, if any.

How many Doctors are still on the same grade as they were in 2010? None.

And in that time how much have private sector (and other public sector) workers wages increased? Exactly.

How much LESS tax does a new doctor / Band 5 pay nurse pay? Exactly.

On average private sector wages are 4% higher for equivalent jobs in the public sector (ONS). Add in the pension, job security, holidays and other benefits from public sector workers and you soon see which group is better off.

We can all tell half a story to show how much we care Donny. These are not normal times, we have a Bank of England trying to inflate away debt, whilst encouraging us to take out more loans yet demanding the banks make more provision for bad debt. We are still spending far more than we raise in tax revenue - despite the tax burden rising to its highest level since the 1980s.

It's really really easy to make a case for increasing the wages of 'virtuous employees'. But the rest of us will end up paying for it one way or the other - and our wages won't be increased to compensate for more tax or higher prices owing to higher Corporation Tax. And do you think the street lighting engineers won't want more, or the social workers, or the binmen?

I posted on this very board (whatever incarnation) in 2008, that if the Labour government chose to bail out the banks then we would ALL have to get used to being a little bit poorer. That's one (possibly the only) prediction I've absolutely nailed in the last decade. There's no use bleating about it now, it's done. More tax, and particulalry even more debt will only make things worse.

And it's 85p by the way.

I don't know what to say.......
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#40
I'm jusy wondering just how 'least worst' a party has to get before the penny finally drops Proth.
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