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#31
(06-23-2017, 03:10 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 01:06 PM)Baggie_Shrek Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 12:54 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 12:51 PM)Baggie_Shrek Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 11:26 AM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote: So it is how to denigrate some people's opinions, and votes, according to social characteristics?

How 'progressive'.

I'm sorry but that is as priceless as when Sundog did his famous "It's rife Frank" post about personal abuse on here...

Brilliant!!!  Big Grin

Then show me where I have devalued anyone's opinion due to a social characteristic. You know that means things like age, ethnicity, nationality, gender, etc? 

I'll wait.

Is intelligence or academic ability not a social characteristic?

MORON

No it's a personal attribute. 

MORON.

(06-23-2017, 01:08 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 12:35 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 12:30 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 12:26 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote: I'm not interested in an ageist, dim, left-wing hypocrite, thanks.

You are available then?

No, and certainly not to a hypocrite. Thanks for asking. Go back onto whichever sites it is you use.

This is a football message board nothing more. You are taking yourself and the importance of what you say on here way too seriously! Why do you think people single your out for criticism? It's not because of your enormous brain and C.V.

Because I don't say 'Arf'?

(06-23-2017, 02:46 PM)Zoltanger Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 10:34 AM)Protheroe Wrote: Absolutely

Yeah mate. 

FAO all Brexiteers.  Has the EU collapsed yet?

Not yet, but it will when the Euro goes.

The original meaning of the word Moron was a classification of a section of society with learning difficulties.
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#32
(06-23-2017, 03:17 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 03:10 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 01:06 PM)Baggie_Shrek Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 12:54 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 12:51 PM)Baggie_Shrek Wrote: I'm sorry but that is as priceless as when Sundog did his famous "It's rife Frank" post about personal abuse on here...

Brilliant!!!  Big Grin

Then show me where I have devalued anyone's opinion due to a social characteristic. You know that means things like age, ethnicity, nationality, gender, etc? 

I'll wait.

Is intelligence or academic ability not a social characteristic?

MORON

No it's a personal attribute. 

MORON.

(06-23-2017, 01:08 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 12:35 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 12:30 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: You are available then?

No, and certainly not to a hypocrite. Thanks for asking. Go back onto whichever sites it is you use.

This is a football message board nothing more. You are taking yourself and the importance of what you say on here way too seriously! Why do you think people single your out for criticism? It's not because of your enormous brain and C.V.

Because I don't say 'Arf'?

(06-23-2017, 02:46 PM)Zoltanger Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 10:34 AM)Protheroe Wrote: Absolutely

Yeah mate. 

FAO all Brexiteers.  Has the EU collapsed yet?

Not yet, but it will when the Euro goes.

The original meaning of the word Moron was a classification of a section of society with learning difficulties.

It doesn't, actually. Wouldn't excuse your blatant ageism in ful knowledge of what you were doing, even if it did.

Try again.

Too easy, this is.
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#33
(06-23-2017, 03:22 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 03:17 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 03:10 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 01:06 PM)Baggie_Shrek Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 12:54 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote: Then show me where I have devalued anyone's opinion due to a social characteristic. You know that means things like age, ethnicity, nationality, gender, etc? 

I'll wait.

Is intelligence or academic ability not a social characteristic?

MORON

No it's a personal attribute. 

MORON.

(06-23-2017, 01:08 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 12:35 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote: No, and certainly not to a hypocrite. Thanks for asking. Go back onto whichever sites it is you use.

This is a football message board nothing more. You are taking yourself and the importance of what you say on here way too seriously! Why do you think people single your out for criticism? It's not because of your enormous brain and C.V.

Because I don't say 'Arf'?

(06-23-2017, 02:46 PM)Zoltanger Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 10:34 AM)Protheroe Wrote: Absolutely

Yeah mate. 

FAO all Brexiteers.  Has the EU collapsed yet?

Not yet, but it will when the Euro goes.

The original meaning of the word Moron was a classification of a section of society with learning difficulties.

It doesn't, actually. Wouldn't excuse your blatant ageism in ful knowledge of what you were doing, even if it did.

Try again.

Too easy, this is.

Origin

Early 20th century (as a medical term denoting an adult with a mental age of about 8–12): from Greek mōron, neuter of mōros ‘foolish’.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/moron
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/moron
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#34
(06-23-2017, 03:10 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 01:06 PM)Baggie_Shrek Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 12:54 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 12:51 PM)Baggie_Shrek Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 11:26 AM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote: So it is how to denigrate some people's opinions, and votes, according to social characteristics?

How 'progressive'.

I'm sorry but that is as priceless as when Sundog did his famous "It's rife Frank" post about personal abuse on here...

Brilliant!!!  Big Grin

Then show me where I have devalued anyone's opinion due to a social characteristic. You know that means things like age, ethnicity, nationality, gender, etc? 

I'll wait.

Is intelligence or academic ability not a social characteristic?

MORON

No it's a personal attribute. 

MORON.

(06-23-2017, 01:08 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 12:35 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 12:30 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 12:26 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote: I'm not interested in an ageist, dim, left-wing hypocrite, thanks.

You are available then?

No, and certainly not to a hypocrite. Thanks for asking. Go back onto whichever sites it is you use.

This is a football message board nothing more. You are taking yourself and the importance of what you say on here way too seriously! Why do you think people single your out for criticism? It's not because of your enormous brain and C.V.

Because I don't say 'Arf'?

(06-23-2017, 02:46 PM)Zoltanger Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 10:34 AM)Protheroe Wrote: Absolutely

Yeah mate. 

FAO all Brexiteers.  Has the EU collapsed yet?

Not yet, but it will when the Euro goes.

Isn't the Eurozone doing quite well at the moment and weren't we the worst performing EU economy in the last quarter?

That famous Brexit domino effect.

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#35
(06-23-2017, 10:02 AM)Protheroe Wrote: [Image: 101552495LeaversNEWS-xlarge_trans_NvBQzQ...nGRumA.jpg]

Interesting choice of photo. Why not one of leave supporters celebrating.
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#36
(06-23-2017, 03:28 PM)Baggie_Shrek Wrote: What is the difference between a social characteristic and a personal attribute?

Surely age, ethnicity, nationality, gender, etc are just as much a personal attribute?

No, as intelligence is a personal attribute in that it is an ability. It can be improved. Social characteristics are not a measure of ability.

(06-23-2017, 03:28 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 03:22 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 03:17 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 03:10 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 01:06 PM)Baggie_Shrek Wrote: Is intelligence or academic ability not a social characteristic?

MORON

No it's a personal attribute. 

MORON.

(06-23-2017, 01:08 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: This is a football message board nothing more. You are taking yourself and the importance of what you say on here way too seriously! Why do you think people single your out for criticism? It's not because of your enormous brain and C.V.

Because I don't say 'Arf'?

(06-23-2017, 02:46 PM)Zoltanger Wrote: Yeah mate. 

FAO all Brexiteers.  Has the EU collapsed yet?

Not yet, but it will when the Euro goes.

The original meaning of the word Moron was a classification of a section of society with learning difficulties.

It doesn't, actually. Wouldn't excuse your blatant ageism in ful knowledge of what you were doing, even if it did.

Try again.

Too easy, this is.

Origin

Early 20th century (as a medical term denoting an adult with a mental age of about 8–12): from Greek mōron, neuter of mōros ‘foolish’.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/moron
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/moron

I always thought it was from ancient Greek. 

I won't use it any more.

Still doesn't excuse or gloss over your deliberate denigration based on a social characteristic, does it? Mine was by accident, yours by design.

(06-23-2017, 03:33 PM)Zoltanger Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 03:10 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 01:06 PM)Baggie_Shrek Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 12:54 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 12:51 PM)Baggie_Shrek Wrote: I'm sorry but that is as priceless as when Sundog did his famous "It's rife Frank" post about personal abuse on here...

Brilliant!!!  Big Grin

Then show me where I have devalued anyone's opinion due to a social characteristic. You know that means things like age, ethnicity, nationality, gender, etc? 

I'll wait.

Is intelligence or academic ability not a social characteristic?

MORON

No it's a personal attribute. 

MORON.

(06-23-2017, 01:08 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 12:35 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 12:30 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: You are available then?

No, and certainly not to a hypocrite. Thanks for asking. Go back onto whichever sites it is you use.

This is a football message board nothing more. You are taking yourself and the importance of what you say on here way too seriously! Why do you think people single your out for criticism? It's not because of your enormous brain and C.V.

Because I don't say 'Arf'?

(06-23-2017, 02:46 PM)Zoltanger Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 10:34 AM)Protheroe Wrote: Absolutely

Yeah mate. 

FAO all Brexiteers.  Has the EU collapsed yet?

Not yet, but it will when the Euro goes.

Isn't the Eurozone doing quite well at the moment and weren't we the worst performing EU economy in the last quarter?

That famous Brexit domino effect.

[Image: C_TXdkBUMAENIEL.jpg]

Which has absolutely no relation to the sustainability of the Euro and the EU. 

Is any of this EU 'growth' you point to countries like the PIGS still trying to get back to their 2009 levels, by the way? So not so much growth, as clawing-back?
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#37
You can improve gender or nationality though...

Intelligence and academic attainment can be used to define social class which is a grouping that can be discriminated against...
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#38
(06-23-2017, 03:42 PM)Baggie_Shrek Wrote: You can improve gender or nationality though...

Intelligence and academic attainment can be used to define social class which is a grouping that can be discriminated against...

No, you cannot. They are descriptive, not measures of an ability. You may CHANGE nationality. You don't improve it, do you?

I am not sure that intelligence or academic attainment has ever been used in any definition of social class. They may correlate, but are not determinative. Certainly as far as the Registrar General goes.
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#39
(06-23-2017, 03:46 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 03:42 PM)Baggie_Shrek Wrote: You can improve gender or nationality though...

Intelligence and academic attainment can be used to define social class which is a grouping that can be discriminated against...

No, you cannot. They are descriptive, not measures of an ability. You may CHANGE nationality. You don't improve it, do you?

I am not sure that intelligence or academic attainment has ever been used in any definition of social class. They may correlate, but are not determinative. Certainly as far as the Registrar General goes.

I'd argue that the person changing their nationality or gender sees it as an improvement in their frame of reference.
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#40
(06-23-2017, 03:51 PM)Baggie_Shrek Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 03:46 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(06-23-2017, 03:42 PM)Baggie_Shrek Wrote: You can improve gender or nationality though...

Intelligence and academic attainment can be used to define social class which is a grouping that can be discriminated against...

No, you cannot. They are descriptive, not measures of an ability. You may CHANGE nationality. You don't improve it, do you?

I am not sure that intelligence or academic attainment has ever been used in any definition of social class. They may correlate, but are not determinative. Certainly as far as the Registrar General goes.

I'd argue that the person changing their nationality or gender sees it as an improvement in their frame of reference.

What does that even mean?
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