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Labour win GE 2017
#21
(05-08-2017, 03:51 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(05-08-2017, 03:06 PM)Bromley Baggie Wrote:



Whether you like it or not Corbyn has to appeal to those who inhabit the centre ground. He's not he's moved the party to the fringes of a society that is inherently conservative with a small c or that is the perception he is failing to change. If he wants to win and make a genuine difference to the country he has to look in the mirror and ask himself if he's a help or hindrance to that aim. It's easy to get applause from Momentum, and those sympathetic to him already but they aren't going to win an election. Broad appeal wins elections and he hasn't got any as we shall sadly no doubt see in a few weeks time. None of us in the middle who dislike the Tories will thank him for leaving us without a credible alternative. The Tories are letting kids, the disabled and the frail down but they will be back in power with a larger mandate to carry on doing just that because Corbyn and his friends are misguided or too fugging arrogant to give the Labour Party a chance of winning or even offering a effective opposition. 

Perception is key to winning an election and he simply hasn't got a broad enough appeal to those that will win him an election and no amount of whining about the Press is going to change that. Play the crappy unfair game or just shout "it's not fair" from the sidelines.

Spot on DH.  Agree with all of that.
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#22
(05-08-2017, 04:41 PM)Bromley Baggie Wrote:
(05-08-2017, 04:38 PM)boingingmahoney Wrote: Whatever Corbyn's current policies, he has no credibility because he has spent his entire career on the extreme left wing fringes of the Labour Party, as have Abbott and McDonnell. This is their fault. Not the media's.

They've held true to Labour's socialist principles. The party moved to the right under Blair. They have never changed.

And they will never get elected. What do you want a party to vote for that will forever be in the wilderness, unable to do some good rather than none? I couldn't careless about his supporters they won't change an election. Those in the middle will and he and his team fail miserably at attracting those voters.
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#23
One certainty is that both West Bromwich constituencies will remain Labour strongholds, which is immensely reassuring for those of us born and raised in the town.
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#24
(05-08-2017, 05:44 PM)texas Wrote: One certainty is that both West Bromwich constituencies will remain Labour strongholds, which is immensely reassuring for those of us born and raised in the town.

Sarcasm? Sandwell is hardly a eutopia.
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#25
(05-08-2017, 04:52 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(05-08-2017, 04:21 PM)Bromley Baggie Wrote: One of the biggest things I've heard about Corbyn is that he's a 'terrorist appeaser' because he once attended a rally for the IRA. Yet nothing is ever said about May cosying up to the rulers if Saudi Arabia and their record of human rights abuses.
He didn't "once attend a rally for the IRA", he has a long history of supporting violent Republicanism even voting against the Anglo Irish Agreement.

And some on the Left see him as a man of peace. The same ones who think the EU is consistent with their Lefty values, in many cases on social media.

(05-08-2017, 05:44 PM)texas Wrote: One certainty is that both West Bromwich constituencies will remain Labour strongholds, which is immensely reassuring for those of us born and raised in the town.

Sandwell has been a Labour council for all but 1 years of its existence.

West Bromwich West has always been Labour.

West Bromwich East has always been Labour.

Sandwell as a whole remains one of the poorest boroughs, on all key indicia, in the country.

A donkey in a red rosette would win in both constituencies. You vote for the same, you get the same.

(05-08-2017, 12:45 PM)Bromley Baggie Wrote: The media to be truly honest and report all the facts and not character assassinations.

Yeah, how dare they report the things he says. How unfair.

As for comparing May/Saudi to Corbyn and the IRA, how ridiculous.

Any 'friendliness' with Saudi is of necessity.
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#26
(05-09-2017, 05:13 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(05-08-2017, 12:45 PM)Bromley Baggie Wrote: The media to be truly honest and report all the facts and not character assassinations.

Yeah, how dare they report the things he says. How unfair.

As for comparing May/Saudi to Corbyn and the IRA, how ridiculous.

Any 'friendliness' with Saudi is of necessity.

Fuck me drunk.

You mean to tell me that holding a minutes silence for a few provos 30 years ago is worse than selling arms to a country with an utterly deplorable human rights record? 

Mental. Absolutely fucking mental.
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#27
(05-09-2017, 05:37 PM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote:
(05-09-2017, 05:13 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(05-08-2017, 12:45 PM)Bromley Baggie Wrote: The media to be truly honest and report all the facts and not character assassinations.

Yeah, how dare they report the things he says. How unfair.

As for comparing May/Saudi to Corbyn and the IRA, how ridiculous.

Any 'friendliness' with Saudi is of necessity.

Fuck me drunk.

You mean to tell me that holding a minutes silence for a few provos 30 years ago is worse than selling arms to a country with an utterly deplorable human rights record? 

Mental. Absolutely fucking mental.

Don't forget the government at the time supported apartheid South Africa.
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#28
(05-09-2017, 05:37 PM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote:
(05-09-2017, 05:13 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(05-08-2017, 12:45 PM)Bromley Baggie Wrote: The media to be truly honest and report all the facts and not character assassinations.

Yeah, how dare they report the things he says. How unfair.

As for comparing May/Saudi to Corbyn and the IRA, how ridiculous.

Any 'friendliness' with Saudi is of necessity.

Fuck me drunk.

You mean to tell me that holding a minutes silence for a few provos 30 years ago is worse than selling arms to a country with an utterly deplorable human rights record? 

Mental. Absolutely fucking mental.

He's as balanced in his views as Eric Pickles sitting opposite Tom Daly on a seesaw.
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#29
(05-08-2017, 05:44 PM)texas Wrote: One certainty is that both West Bromwich constituencies will remain Labour strongholds, which is immensely reassuring for those of us born and raised in the town.

My good friend Andrew Hardie only needs to convert the Kipper vote to remove Mahboob Hussain's mate Adrian Bailey.
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#30
Nothing to contribute other than to say 'Fuck me drunk' is now part of my vocabulary. Love it.
Carry on.
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