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Labour win GE 2017
#11
The people of England to be remotely interested in beards, sandals and socialism
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(05-08-2017, 12:45 PM)Bromley Baggie Wrote: The media to be truly honest and report all the facts and not character assassinations.

Corbyn's problem is that the media do accurately report what he says.
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(05-08-2017, 03:06 PM)Bromley Baggie Wrote:



Whether you like it or not Corbyn has to appeal to those who inhabit the centre ground. He's not he's moved the party to the fringes of a society that is inherently conservative with a small c or that is the perception he is failing to change. If he wants to win and make a genuine difference to the country he has to look in the mirror and ask himself if he's a help or hindrance to that aim. It's easy to get applause from Momentum, and those sympathetic to him already but they aren't going to win an election. Broad appeal wins elections and he hasn't got any as we shall sadly no doubt see in a few weeks time. None of us in the middle who dislike the Tories will thank him for leaving us without a credible alternative. The Tories are letting kids, the disabled and the frail down but they will be back in power with a larger mandate to carry on doing just that because Corbyn and his friends are misguided or too fugging arrogant to give the Labour Party a chance of winning or even offering a effective opposition. 

Perception is key to winning an election and he simply hasn't got a broad enough appeal to those that will win him an election and no amount of whining about the Press is going to change that. Play the crappy unfair game or just shout "it's not fair" from the sidelines.
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(05-08-2017, 03:51 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(05-08-2017, 03:06 PM)Bromley Baggie Wrote:



Whether you like it or not Corbyn has to appeal to those who inhabit the centre ground. He's not he's moved the party to the fringes of a society that is inherently conservative with a small c or that is the perception he is failing to change. If he wants to win and make a genuine difference to the country he has to look in the mirror and ask himself if he's a help or hindrance to that aim. It's easy to get applause from Momentum, and those sympathetic to him already but they aren't going to win an election. Broad appeal wins elections and he hasn't got any as we shall sadly no doubt see in a few weeks time. None of us in the middle who dislike the Tories will thank him for leaving us without a credible alternative. The Tories are letting kids, the disabled and the frail down but they will be back in power with a larger mandate to carry on doing just that because Corbyn and his friends are misguided or too fugging arrogant to give the Labour Party a chance of winning or even offering a effective opposition. 

Perception is key to winning an election and he simply hasn't got a broad enough appeal to those that will win him an election and no amount of whining about the Press is going to change that. Play the crappy unfair game or just shout "it's not fair" from the sidelines.

That's the problem. It shouldn't be about how the public perceive the party leader, it should be about the policies of the party. As long as the media continue with their obsession about Corbyn being "unelectable", the more people will believe it. As the Jonathan Pie video above states, most people would agree with Labour's policies concerning the NHS, Legal Aid, the disabled, homelessness and not giving tax breaks to the non-dom billionaires and companies that fund the Tory party. So why aren't the policies given any time? Instead all we hear is "Labour in turmoil as Corbyn is unelectable" ad infinitum.  

One of the biggest things I've heard about Corbyn is that he's a 'terrorist appeaser' because he once attended a rally for the IRA. Yet nothing is ever said about May cosying up to the rulers if Saudi Arabia and their record of human rights abuses. 

Corbyn has the support of the rank and file 'grassroots' member of the party. He's faced two leadership elections and won both (the second with an increased majority). A few back benchers are aching for a return to a Blair-ite Labour Party. If they want to be Conservative Party 2.0, then they should cross the floor.
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#16
Whatever Corbyn's current policies, he has no credibility because he has spent his entire career on the extreme left wing fringes of the Labour Party, as have Abbott and McDonnell. This is their fault. Not the media's.
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(05-08-2017, 04:38 PM)boingingmahoney Wrote: Whatever Corbyn's current policies, he has no credibility because he has spent his entire career on the extreme left wing fringes of the Labour Party, as have Abbott and McDonnell. This is their fault. Not the media's.

They've held true to Labour's socialist principles. The party moved to the right under Blair. They have never changed.
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#18
Corbyn has nothing to do with the tradition of the Labour Party which famously owes "more to Methodism than Marx". Even those who saw Blair and Brown as toxic should have listened to the dire warnings of Kinnock and Healey. Even Michael Foot was a sensible mainstream leader by comparison with Corbyn. Labour lost the election the day Corbyn became leader
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#19
Corbyn voted against Labour 500 times as a back bencher. How can he expect loyalty from the PLP when he showed no loyalty to them in the past?
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(05-08-2017, 04:21 PM)Bromley Baggie Wrote: One of the biggest things I've heard about Corbyn is that he's a 'terrorist appeaser' because he once attended a rally for the IRA. Yet nothing is ever said about May cosying up to the rulers if Saudi Arabia and their record of human rights abuses.
He didn't "once attend a rally for the IRA", he has a long history of supporting violent Republicanism even voting against the Anglo Irish Agreement.
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