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Paul Nuttels and the UKIPers
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(05-05-2017, 02:47 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(05-05-2017, 08:23 AM)chasetownbaggie Wrote:
(05-04-2017, 06:20 AM)Bratislava Baggie Wrote: May is clearly moving into UKIP space in this campaign which could reduce both their vote and impact. Not sure how she can the repair her reputation across the EU post election but hey a month is a long time in politics.

It doesn't look like she needs to bother. UKIP are now irrelevant.

Yes, game over.


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(05-05-2017, 06:59 PM)Zoltanger Wrote:
(05-05-2017, 02:47 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(05-05-2017, 08:23 AM)chasetownbaggie Wrote:
(05-04-2017, 06:20 AM)Bratislava Baggie Wrote: May is clearly moving into UKIP space in this campaign which could reduce both their vote and impact. Not sure how she can the repair her reputation across the EU post election but hey a month is a long time in politics.

It doesn't look like she needs to bother. UKIP are now irrelevant.

Yes, game over.



I keep meaning to find that whole match to watch.
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#43
Nuttall = barking mad.
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#44
(05-08-2017, 10:34 AM)Zoltanger Wrote: Nuttall = barking mad.

Agreed. Residual status after June 8th.
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#45
(05-08-2017, 12:47 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(05-08-2017, 10:34 AM)Zoltanger Wrote: Nuttall = barking mad.

Agreed. Residual status after June 8th.

Awaiting Nigel to return riding a unicorn when we are not in the Mid-Atlantic.
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#46
UKIP wiped out. No need for them. Tories have absorbed their irrationality & xenophobia, selling it to the public as strength & stability.
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#47
(05-09-2017, 09:34 PM)Donegal Wrote: UKIP wiped out. No need for them. Tories have absorbed their irrationality & xenophobia, selling it to the public as strength & stability.

But as Nuttall has effectively said they can limp along knowing that if negotiations look like they are not going their way le grande fromage can return.
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#48
(05-10-2017, 01:01 AM)Zoltanger Wrote:
(05-09-2017, 09:34 PM)Donegal Wrote: UKIP wiped out. No need for them. Tories have absorbed their irrationality & xenophobia, selling it to the public as strength & stability.

But as Nuttall has effectively said they can limp along knowing that if negotiations look like they are not going their way le grande fromage can return.

you dont see or hear much of the edl/bnp these days, have the tories absorbed those types too?
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#49
(05-10-2017, 11:20 AM)Great Bridge Wrote:
(05-10-2017, 01:01 AM)Zoltanger Wrote:
(05-09-2017, 09:34 PM)Donegal Wrote: UKIP wiped out. No need for them. Tories have absorbed their irrationality & xenophobia, selling it to the public as strength & stability.

But as Nuttall has effectively said they can limp along knowing that if negotiations look like they are not going their way le grande fromage can return.

you dont see or hear much of the edl/bnp these days, have the tories absorbed those types too?

A few of the BNP councillors went back to the Labour Party in the Lancashire mill towns.
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#50
(05-03-2017, 05:44 PM)John Osbourne Wrote:
(05-03-2017, 04:17 PM)logic1 Wrote:
(05-03-2017, 04:02 PM)John Osbourne Wrote:
(05-03-2017, 09:12 AM)logic1 Wrote:
(05-03-2017, 06:45 AM)John Osbourne Wrote: I wasn't making an argument I was simply making an observation! 
The subsequent post proving my point, I think. Employing insults and using shouty capitals isn't the tactic of a person making a reasoned argument but that of one who has lost his argument or doesn't have a valid one at all. I was originally motivated to make my observation by you, continuously branding me and millions of others, erroneously as xenophobic.

Oh, have I been elevated to the Junta? Members of that august body please advise.

Apologies for the capitals - that was my phone playing up.

Btw, I didn't say you specifically are xenophobic. What I said was a significant proportion of the leavers are xenophobic (i.e. the UKIPers and the Paul Nuttells of this world which Stewart Lee completely demolishes and takes the piss out of). Which is completely true. A significant proportion of the population decided to leave the EU in order to control immigration. Hence they are xenophobic and ignorant. Or they have been taken advantage of by the snake-oil salesman (i.e. The right wing junta in the Tory party). The ironic thing is that the UK's economic growth since 2008 has been mainly driven by immigration because productivity growth has been flat. But what the fuck do I know - I'm just an expert.


It's just so fucking good I keep watching it and I quote:

"4000 years ago it was the beaker folk, the bloody beaker folk. Coming over here, rowing up the Tagus estuary from the Iberian peninsular in an improvised raft. Beaker folk, coming over here with their beakers, with their drinking vessels. What's wrong with just cupping up the water with your hands and licking it up like a cat. My name is Paul Nuttels and the UKIPs and I say we need to ensure that the brightest and best beaker folk should stay in the Iberian peninsula and fill it with beakers instead of coming over here to the UK and teaching us to drink liquid out of cups."

Fucking genius!!!!

Ok, sorry I picked up on the capitals. As someone who is having to take three times longer to compose a post thanks to this iPad I accept that these things are sent to try us. (press the back button once and it carries on wiping out about three sentences)

One of the reasons I voted to leave and only one of a number, was to curb immigration not because I hate, dislike, distrust or am indifferent to foreigners but because this is a shrinking island. (metaphorically and literally).  We are short of energy, water and housing. Our infrastructure is creaking and all society's social institutions are breaking down. Apart from Belgium and the Netherlands our population density is far bigger than any other European country. We have over twice as many people per square mile than France for example. Space in this island is finite. We have to start thinking of those already here and their descendants of whatever hue, creed or persuasion. I am not a racist but own up to being a boring pragmatist.
We will have to disagree on whether the majority, or whatever you class a "significant proportion" to be, of Brexiteers are xenophobic. I believe not. Of course I accept that those who shout loudest, Nuttells for example, may well be.
You must see that continually labeling those that voted out and not knowing what we voted for and being morons is quite irksome.

If you think that reducing immigration will lead to better housing, better water management and improved energy provision you are living in a fantasy land. Even Prothero would agree with me on this. I'm sorry but I don't know where you have got you logic from to form that economic argument - sadly I feel you have been sold a fantasy by the snake-oil salesman. Btw, if you've ever flown over this country, it's not too hard to notice that there is plenty of space.

Nevertheless, you do make an interesting point. What is the optimum population size? This is a question most economists would struggle with. In my view, we should aim for something that enables our football team (England) to compete with Germany.
I was not talking of economics. I was talking simple physics.  Everything is finite. (well almost everything. The continuing inability of some to correctly infer from  simple text astounds me) It matters not what water, gas or housing costs if there is not physically enough to go around. To paraphrase W.C. Fields '10 gallons of water available per day, 9 gallons needed equals bliss. 10 gallons of water a day available per day, 11 gallons a day needed equals misery'
if you want to talk economics , and I appreciate you get your vinegar shots pawing over a well thumbed copy of The Economist, can you explain to me the sound economic model that puts us in a position where we could be ransomed by Europe or Russia over gas supplies?

(05-03-2017, 04:17 PM)logic1 Wrote:
(05-03-2017, 04:02 PM)John Osbourne Wrote:
(05-03-2017, 09:12 AM)logic1 Wrote:
(05-03-2017, 06:45 AM)John Osbourne Wrote: I wasn't making an argument I was simply making an observation! 
The subsequent post proving my point, I think. Employing insults and using shouty capitals isn't the tactic of a person making a reasoned argument but that of one who has lost his argument or doesn't have a valid one at all. I was originally motivated to make my observation by you, continuously branding me and millions of others, erroneously as xenophobic.

Oh, have I been elevated to the Junta? Members of that august body please advise.

Apologies for the capitals - that was my phone playing up.

Btw, I didn't say you specifically are xenophobic. What I said was a significant proportion of the leavers are xenophobic (i.e. the UKIPers and the Paul Nuttells of this world which Stewart Lee completely demolishes and takes the piss out of). Which is completely true. A significant proportion of the population decided to leave the EU in order to control immigration. Hence they are xenophobic and ignorant. Or they have been taken advantage of by the snake-oil salesman (i.e. The right wing junta in the Tory party). The ironic thing is that the UK's economic growth since 2008 has been mainly driven by immigration because productivity growth has been flat. But what the fuck do I know - I'm just an expert.


It's just so fucking good I keep watching it and I quote:

"4000 years ago it was the beaker folk, the bloody beaker folk. Coming over here, rowing up the Tagus estuary from the Iberian peninsular in an improvised raft. Beaker folk, coming over here with their beakers, with their drinking vessels. What's wrong with just cupping up the water with your hands and licking it up like a cat. My name is Paul Nuttels and the UKIPs and I say we need to ensure that the brightest and best beaker folk should stay in the Iberian peninsula and fill it with beakers instead of coming over here to the UK and teaching us to drink liquid out of cups."

Fucking genius!!!!

Ok, sorry I picked up on the capitals. As someone who is having to take three times longer to compose a post thanks to this iPad I accept that these things are sent to try us. (press the back button once and it carries on wiping out about three sentences)

One of the reasons I voted to leave and only one of a number, was to curb immigration not because I hate, dislike, distrust or am indifferent to foreigners but because this is a shrinking island. (metaphorically and literally).  We are short of energy, water and housing. Our infrastructure is creaking and all society's social institutions are breaking down. Apart from Belgium and the Netherlands our population density is far bigger than any other European country. We have over twice as many people per square mile than France for example. Space in this island is finite. We have to start thinking of those already here and their descendants of whatever hue, creed or persuasion. I am not a racist but own up to being a boring pragmatist.
We will have to disagree on whether the majority, or whatever you class a "significant proportion" to be, of Brexiteers are xenophobic. I believe not. Of course I accept that those who shout loudest, Nuttells for example, may well be.
You must see that continually labeling those that voted out and not knowing what we voted for and being morons is quite irksome.

If you think that reducing immigration will lead to better housing, better water management and improved energy provision you are living in a fantasy land. Even Prothero would agree with me on this. I'm sorry but I don't know where you have got you logic from to form that economic argument - sadly I feel you have been sold a fantasy by the snake-oil salesman. Btw, if you've ever flown over this country, it's not too hard to notice that there is plenty of space.

Nevertheless, you do make an interesting point. What is the optimum population size? This is a question most economists would struggle with. In my view, we should aim for something that enables our football team (England) to compete with Germany.
I was not talking of economics. I was talking simple physics.  Everything is finite. (well almost everything. The continuing inability of some to correctly infer from  simple text astounds me) It matters not what water, gas or housing costs if there is not physically enough to go around. To paraphrase W.C. Fields '10 gallons of water available per day, 9 gallons needed equals bliss. 10 gallons of water a day available per day, 11 gallons a day needed equals misery'
if you want to talk economics , and I appreciate you get your vinegar shots pawing over a well thumbed copy of The Economist, can you explain to me the sound economic model that puts us in a position where we could be ransomed by Europe or Russia over gas supplies?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39897774
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