Leavers changing their mind en masse?
#21
Seriously - so you believe all that?

The 1st unelected quango are elected at the EU elections - the one where Nigel (leader of the leave campaign) gets his pay from. If we voted in someone who bothered we might get some more say in what goes on. There's democracy there.

There was evidence from the off that people had been lied to or simply didn't understand what was going on. The 2nd referendum logically would be held once more information was available. Asking for a vote is democratic.

One woman using the legislature to challenge a political decision has no bearing on democracy.

The MPs were democratically elected to represent their constituency - as there was no mandate for a 'no deal brexit' they used their democratically given power to ensure a deal was sought. That's pretty democratic.

The 2nd unelected quango tried to block the Benn bill - that's undemocratic I'd agree with you.

No-one's being refused a general election. Parliament rightly want to sort out the immediate problem and then have an election. That has nothing to do with democracy, that is to do with some blonde bellend realising he hasn't the brains or wit to get out of this one by being honest.

Now stop whinging - all I'm asking for is that now we understand a decision better we make sure the public still want to continue with that decision. That is ultimately democratic.
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#22
(09-09-2019, 02:03 PM)cornishbaggie Wrote: So we voted to leave an unelected quango, straight away a second referendum was called for, when that failed, a millionaire business woman went through the courts to try to overturn the vote, when that failed mps opposed to the vote have done everything they could to stop it, finally being ratified by another unelected quango ( the house of lords ) and now we are refused a general election. and you wonder why there are those that won't vote again. tell me more about this democracy you speak of.

I voted to make it more difficult to travel, make basic items more expensive and potentially make it more difficult to get life saving medicine and I’m furious that elected representatives of the country have insisted that isn’t a good idea! I demand to make mine and everyone else’s life more difficult and I want that to happen by the 31st of October!
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#23
(09-09-2019, 02:22 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 02:03 PM)cornishbaggie Wrote: So we voted to leave an unelected quango, straight away a second referendum was called for, when that failed, a millionaire business woman went through the courts to try to overturn the vote, when that failed mps opposed to the vote have done everything they could to stop it, finally being ratified by another unelected quango ( the house of lords ) and now we are refused a general election. and you wonder why there are those that won't vote again. tell me more about this democracy you speak of.

I voted to make myself poorer and I’m furious that some idiot had insisted that isn’t a good idea!

Did you ? not very clever.
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#24
(09-09-2019, 02:58 PM)cornishbaggie Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 02:22 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 02:03 PM)cornishbaggie Wrote: So we voted to leave an unelected quango, straight away a second referendum was called for, when that failed, a millionaire business woman went through the courts to try to overturn the vote, when that failed mps opposed to the vote have done everything they could to stop it, finally being ratified by another unelected quango ( the house of lords ) and now we are refused a general election. and you wonder why there are those that won't vote again. tell me more about this democracy you speak of.

I voted to make myself poorer and I’m furious that some idiot had insisted that isn’t a good idea!

Did you ? not very clever.


I’m awaiting those Sunlit Uplands...
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#25
I don’t think many people who voted leave expected us to be in a position where being cut off from the EU was an option. If this had been cited in the run up to the referendum Remain would have won at a canter.
It’s why I know of 6 who voted out wish they hadn’t. Multiply that nationwide and leave would be buried in a referendum.
It’s impossible to argue with Daily Mail reader types though and those who based their vote on corruption caused by Facebook.
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#26
(09-09-2019, 04:02 PM)Spandaubaggie Wrote: I don’t think many people who voted leave expected us to be in a position where being cut off from the EU was an option. If this had been cited in the run up to the referendum Remain would have won at a canter.
It’s why I know of 6 who voted out wish they hadn’t. Multiply that nationwide and leave would be buried in a referendum.
It’s impossible to argue with Daily Mail reader types though and those who based their vote on corruption caused by Facebook.

It was cited, it's the main reason why I didn't vote leave (that and science funding were pretty much the only reason). It was just referred to as "Project Fear" and the leave campaign said it wouldn't happen, citing the "free trade area from Iceland to Russia" and arguing about semantics regarding access to the single market to muddy the waters.
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#27
All the leavers that I know still want to leave.

In general though, leave or stay types that I know, just want it effin' dealt with and for it to stop being banged on about.
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#28
(09-09-2019, 03:04 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 02:58 PM)cornishbaggie Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 02:22 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(09-09-2019, 02:03 PM)cornishbaggie Wrote: So we voted to leave an unelected quango, straight away a second referendum was called for, when that failed, a millionaire business woman went through the courts to try to overturn the vote, when that failed mps opposed to the vote have done everything they could to stop it, finally being ratified by another unelected quango ( the house of lords ) and now we are refused a general election. and you wonder why there are those that won't vote again. tell me more about this democracy you speak of.

I voted to make myself poorer and I’m furious that some idiot had insisted that isn’t a good idea!

Did you ? not very clever.


I’m awaiting those Sunlit Uplands...
I'm waiting for you to go to an away match but hey ho everyone likes to dream what could be
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#29
(09-09-2019, 10:32 AM)SausEggBaton Wrote:
(09-07-2019, 09:00 PM)Solihull Throstle Wrote: No doubt Saus will be on to spout some shit about project fear and the cunt Corbyn some time soon.

The BBC are doing a good enough job stirring up Project Fear without my need to comment. Oh, and Corbyn is a cnut, demanding an election for 18 months then Boris offers him one and he runs away scared with his tail between his legs whimpering and whining, the Cnut.

Face facts, if it wasn't for moaning meddling remoaners with their own ulterior motives and agendas, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Oh and here's a guide for you if you're not ready to leave yet: Get ready for Brexit
Face facts! 
Facts? 
It's mainly subjective and we can all spout opinions, with them not being facts.
Could it not be that the super ideal form of Brexit wanted by a very small number of extreme right wingers is what has stopped us getting it and the idea of no deal, which will ruin many lives, has to be expunged as it is so utterly reckless?
I'm no expert, you're not either, but the Governor of the Bank of England saying we should stay in, all living Prime Ministers doing likewise, is what swayed me as I consider them experts. Now that is an actual fact.
The guys behind leave may as well said we're going to colonise Mars by 2019, because they didn't know how to do that either.
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(09-10-2019, 02:30 PM)Spandaubaggie Wrote: Face facts! 
Facts? 
It's mainly subjective and we can all spout opinions, with them not being facts.
Could it not be that the super ideal form of Brexit wanted by a very small number of extreme right wingers is what has stopped us getting it and the idea of no deal, which will ruin many lives, has to be expunged as it is so utterly reckless?
I'm no expert, you're not either, but the Governor of the Bank of England saying we should stay in, all living Prime Ministers doing likewise, is what swayed me as I consider them experts. Now that is an actual fact.
The guys behind leave may as well said we're going to colonise Mars by 2019, because they didn't know how to do that either.


All the people you quote as swaying you have an ulterior motive and see us leaving as affecting their personal wealth (none of them care about the normal people). Like most wars see the rich benefit, staying in would likely have seen those you listed getting wealthier too. I'd actually use the same list of people as persuading me to leave if I'm honest.
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