Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
Livingstone
#1
Labour suspend him for a year but fail to expel him for his remarks on Hitler 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/201...r-comments

Reply
#2
Judging by the support he's getting on social media this issue is a massive problem in that party.

And it turns out that he hasn't been suspended at all. He is still a full member, can attend meetings and vote.

Disgraceful.

Can you imagine the whining if this was a Tory 'grandee' saying this and being treated like this? And it gets worse. https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/849528346224578560
Reply
#3
Hitler (or more accurately his Nazi regime) signed an agreement with the Zionist Federation of Germany and the Jewish Agency for Palestine to facilitate the emigration of Jews to Palestine in 1933 to build the proposed Zionist state. 
 
The Nazis did this, of course, to get rid of Jews and the Zionists did this to help create their state. Livingston is telling the truth. His claim that Hitler ‘went mad’ is insulting to all the victims of his policy of mass murder.
Reply
#4
(04-05-2017, 01:36 PM)Montserratbaggie Wrote: Hitler (or more accurately his Nazi regime) signed an agreement with the Zionist Federation of Germany and the Jewish Agency for Palestine to facilitate the emigration of Jews to Palestine in 1933 to build the proposed Zionist state. 
 
The Nazis did this, of course, to get rid of Jews and the Zionists did this to help create their state. Livingston is telling the truth. His claim that Hitler ‘went mad’ is insulting to all the victims of his policy of mass murder.

I don't know why there is controversy about this arguement, the Nazis wanted jews out of Germany and the zionists wanted them to bolster a jewish state so a deal was signed. Sometimes political opponents do deals when it has a mutual benefit. At the time the British considered zionists to be terrorists in Palestine. M15 discovered a Zionist plot to kill Churchill for example
Reply
#5
(04-05-2017, 01:36 PM)Montserratbaggie Wrote: Hitler (or more accurately his Nazi regime) signed an agreement with the Zionist Federation of Germany and the Jewish Agency for Palestine to facilitate the emigration of Jews to Palestine in 1933 to build the proposed Zionist state. 
 
The Nazis did this, of course, to get rid of Jews and the Zionists did this to help create their state. Livingston is telling the truth. His claim that Hitler ‘went mad’ is insulting to all the victims of his policy of mass murder.

whilst he may be correct in the sense that both Hitler and Zionists wanted Jews out of Europe, Livingstone also knows that when he says things like "Hitler was a zionist" that it plays into the hands of those who often compare Israel with the actions of the Nazis in WW2. 
He also has form for comparing Jews to nazis, once telling a Jewish journalist he was no different to a gestapo guard in a concentration camp. 
Livingstone knows the insensitive nature of what he is doing will cause upset, and he either doesn't care about or deliberately wants to offend by the seems of it. A bit odd for a man whose job it is to appeal to the public?

Reply
#6
(04-05-2017, 09:10 PM)King Astle Wrote:
(04-05-2017, 01:36 PM)Montserratbaggie Wrote: Hitler (or more accurately his Nazi regime) signed an agreement with the Zionist Federation of Germany and the Jewish Agency for Palestine to facilitate the emigration of Jews to Palestine in 1933 to build the proposed Zionist state. 
 
The Nazis did this, of course, to get rid of Jews and the Zionists did this to help create their state. Livingston is telling the truth. His claim that Hitler ‘went mad’ is insulting to all the victims of his policy of mass murder.

whilst he may be correct in the sense that both Hitler and Zionists wanted Jews out of Europe, Livingstone also knows that when he says things like "Hitler was a zionist" that it plays into the hands of those who often compare Israel with the actions of the Nazis in WW2. 
He also has form for comparing Jews to nazis, once telling a Jewish journalist he was no different to a gestapo guard in a concentration camp. 
Livingstone knows the insensitive nature of what he is doing will cause upset, and he either doesn't care about or deliberately wants to offend by the seems of it. A bit odd for a man whose job it is to appeal to the public?
Sometimes the truth offends some people and it's obviously uncomfortable for today's zionists to accept what was done in the past in their name.
Reply
#7
(04-05-2017, 08:01 AM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote: Judging by the support he's getting on social media this issue is a massive problem in that party.

And it turns out that he hasn't been suspended at all. He is still a full member, can attend meetings and vote.

Disgraceful.

Can you imagine the whining if this was a Tory 'grandee' saying this and being treated like this? And it gets worse. https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/849528346224578560


I can imagine it.

For example David Cameron's disgraceful behaviour at PMQs, when he accused Sadiq Khan of sharing a platform with an IS supporting imam. Not only did the imam not support IS, but he had been invited to speak at Conservative meetings and had publically supported Khan's tory opponent at the 2015 GE - no apology from Cameron, one from Michael Fallon, mind who unlike Cameron made the same accusations, but without parliamentary immunity, and was forced to apologise or face defamation action.

Or Boris Johnson, who accused Barak Obama of being anti British because of his Kenyan ancestary. Not only a slur against the integrity of Obama, but a slur against the entire Kenyan nation, one of our closer allies in Africa.

The lack of media scrutiny in both these cases, shows the different expectations made on Tory and Labour politicians. Livingstone is a disgrace and a significant negative for Labour, but his 'sins' are given the full media spotlight while Tories keep getting away with it.
Reply
#8
I'd hardly call Livingstone a grandee of the Labour Party. Newt Appreciation Society maybe.
Reply
#9
(04-05-2017, 09:10 PM)King Astle Wrote: whilst he may be correct in the sense that both Hitler and Zionists wanted Jews out of Europe, Livingstone also knows that when he says things like "Hitler was a zionist" that it plays into the hands of those who often compare Israel with the actions of the Nazis in WW2. 
He also has form for comparing Jews to nazis, once telling a Jewish journalist he was no different to a gestapo guard in a concentration camp. 
Livingstone knows the insensitive nature of what he is doing will cause upset, and he either doesn't care about or deliberately wants to offend by the seems of it. A bit odd for a man whose job it is to appeal to the public?

Livingston never mentioned 'Jews'. He spoke about Zionists.

Comparison between Israel and Nazi Germany have many valid points. Racial discrimination, community punishments, murder and imprisonment of political opponents. And most similar is the policy of Lebensraum. 

[Image: palestinian_land_loss_map.jpg]
Reply
#10
(04-06-2017, 08:04 AM)Shabby Russian Wrote:
(04-05-2017, 08:01 AM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote: Judging by the support he's getting on social media this issue is a massive problem in that party.

And it turns out that he hasn't been suspended at all. He is still a full member, can attend meetings and vote.

Disgraceful.

Can you imagine the whining if this was a Tory 'grandee' saying this and being treated like this? And it gets worse. https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/849528346224578560


I can imagine it.

For example David Cameron's disgraceful behaviour at PMQs, when he accused Sadiq Khan of sharing a platform with an IS supporting imam. Not only did the imam not support IS, but he had been invited to speak at Conservative meetings and had publically supported Khan's tory opponent at the 2015 GE - no apology from Cameron, one from Michael Fallon, mind who unlike Cameron made the same accusations, but without parliamentary immunity, and was forced to apologise or face defamation action.

Or Boris Johnson, who accused Barak Obama of being anti British because of his Kenyan ancestary. Not only a slur against the integrity of Obama, but a slur against the entire Kenyan nation, one of our closer allies in Africa.

The lack of media scrutiny in both these cases, shows the different expectations made on Tory and Labour politicians. Livingstone is a disgrace and a significant negative for Labour, but his 'sins' are given the full media spotlight while Tories keep getting away with it.

Those remarks received full coverage, but you obviously chose to ignore it. The difference is that Livingstone is a repeat offender on the same issue. 

If you are talking about abuse of Parliamentary privilege, step forward the Lord and saviour of West Bromwich Tom Watson. At least he's a had a pop at Livingstone, mind.
Reply


Forum Jump:


Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)