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#31
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 if I were living in the valleys, I wouldn't be expecting my lot to improve anytime soon.
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Maybe not. In which case you'd probably do something about it. I doubt you'd be tapping your watch waiting for the government or EU.

Every euro cent received from European funding schemes is UK taxpayers’ money. The European Regional Development Fund is a circular programme. UK taxpayers’ money is given to the European Union budget. Under the Fund, a local project receives a contract, spends money and then claims from DCLG. DCLG then claims funds back from the European Commission. ...Some parts of the public and voluntary sector have viewed European funding as “free money”, and not applied the same financial discipline that would apply to the direct spending of UK government funding. Yet, there is no ‘free’ money from the European Union: there is only UK taxpayers’ money. Indeed, the UK is even more of a net loser given the massive amount spent on bureaucracy, complex auditing and projects that would never have been funded by the UK government directly.
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#32
(03-31-2017, 12:34 PM)logic1 Wrote:
(03-31-2017, 12:30 PM)Man of Harlech Wrote: 2.5 Million, seems legit.

[Image: the-funicular-railway-ebbw-vale-blaenau-...emjbbf.jpg]

And it's currently bost.

And the private sector never ever wastes any money:

[Image: 14375-zoom.jpg]

Mickey is better value at 2.5 million even at 96/97 ish prices. At least he worked on the weekend.*

* At least he worked full stop.
Member of the boards Right Wing Junta.
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#33
(03-31-2017, 12:56 PM)Man of Harlech Wrote:
(03-31-2017, 12:34 PM)logic1 Wrote:
(03-31-2017, 12:30 PM)Man of Harlech Wrote: 2.5 Million, seems legit.

[Image: the-funicular-railway-ebbw-vale-blaenau-...emjbbf.jpg]

And it's currently bost.

And the private sector never ever wastes any money:

[Image: 14375-zoom.jpg]

Mickey is better value at 2.5 million even at 96/97 ish prices. At least he worked on the weekend.*

* At least he worked full stop.

Fair enough, I picked the wrong player:


[Image: moorelarge.jpg]
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#34
(03-31-2017, 01:07 PM)logic1 Wrote:
(03-31-2017, 12:56 PM)Man of Harlech Wrote:
(03-31-2017, 12:34 PM)logic1 Wrote:
(03-31-2017, 12:30 PM)Man of Harlech Wrote: 2.5 Million, seems legit.

[Image: the-funicular-railway-ebbw-vale-blaenau-...emjbbf.jpg]

And it's currently bost.

And the private sector never ever wastes any money:

[Image: 14375-zoom.jpg]

Mickey is better value at 2.5 million even at 96/97 ish prices. At least he worked on the weekend.*

* At least he worked full stop.

Fair enough, I picked the wrong player:


[Image: moorelarge.jpg]

To be fair ,even the EU wouldn't waste 2.5 million on Lukewarm.
Member of the boards Right Wing Junta.
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#35
(03-30-2017, 08:08 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(03-30-2017, 06:53 PM)Hi Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(03-30-2017, 04:26 PM)chasetownbaggie Wrote:
(03-30-2017, 04:03 PM)John Osbournes Kn uckle Wrote: Oh, and what a shocker, Clegg and B.B.C. in anti Brexit article.

It wasn't anti-Brexit - he went to find out why a place like Ebbw Vale that has benefitted from significant EU investment would vote to leave the EU. I thought Clegg did well to keep a lid on his pro-EU feelings.

Oh sorry which bit isn't true? 
EU investment. 

Where does it get its money from? Thin air? Trees? 

Or would that be from the net contributions we (and a few others) have always made to it, year after year? Can we not fund projects Ebbw Vale directly, without a grasping, wasteful, corrupt organisation dipping its fingers in before it gives us a pittance back?

(03-30-2017, 05:55 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(03-30-2017, 04:03 PM)John Osbourne Wrote:
(03-30-2017, 08:28 AM)logic1 Wrote: the elderly deluded and uneducated morons with the young intelligent future of this country:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p04yb740

To you brexiteers, hang your heads in shame. Thanks for ensuring that the people who fought and died for this country let Germany win the peace.

"Brexiteers have let Germany win the peace." What a ridicules, meaningless statement! Even if it was not a moronic utterance I think it simply wrong. Germany had already "won the peace". The E.U already dances to Germany's tune. What Deutschland says goes. Me thinks if the U.K had that much sway over what went on over fifty percent of Brits would not have voted out.
Britain went to war to defeat Nazism and totalitarianism, which we did, not to subjugate the German people. I can't believe the highly educated, supremely intelligent, barley out of nappies, we know better the you, quasi communist lefties would want us to be lording it over the German people al la Imperialism. So winning the war is an irrelevant argument. 
The Marshall Plan can be cited as being a great help in Germany gaining a dominant position industrially ; that and the fact Germany adopted a more Laissez-Faire attitude to trade and kept loaning the central pot from the Plan to businesses at low rates rather than swallowing it up on one off infrastructure schemes. Also bear in mind Germany had to invest in new tooling following the war whilst British industry struggled on with outdated technology. That was the was winning generation's fault not the Boomers.
It's a stretch to blame the the state of Britain's finances on 'Baby Boomers' other than for the fact they are the parents of the 20 and 30 somethings, those, I'm alright Jack, scruple-less, highly educated, young, greed merchants of the nineties and noughties who really sent the country belly up. (Oh, I do have to admit there was one 'Boomer' greatly to blame... Tunna Blair). As an old, decrepit, working class thick git (only two degrees) I will accept that we were too permissive in allowing young, barley out the scrotum, self opinionated anti democratic t*ts to think their views are the only ones to have any credence. Sorry for the composition of this little diatribe but it's the best a product of a factory fodder producing Secondary Modern school can scribble with his crayon.

Oh, and what a shocker, Clegg and B.B.C. in anti Brexit article.

Erm the 90s and 00's generation have seen house prices soar, rents soar, social housing struggle to keep up with demand, lose job security, struggle to save, struggle to save for a pension and be the first generations in living memory worse off than their parents. 

The Baby Boom generation is the most selfish generation in living memory.

Of all the tosh you've come out with...

Oh sorry which bit isn't true?

The last bit. The millennials are way worse. Like the f***wit on Newsnight a few nights ago who wanted to stay in the EU for the very persuasive reason of 'showing her children teamwork'.

I wish I'd voted remain, now.
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#36
(03-31-2017, 05:06 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(03-30-2017, 08:08 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(03-30-2017, 06:53 PM)Hi Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(03-30-2017, 04:26 PM)chasetownbaggie Wrote:
(03-30-2017, 04:03 PM)John Osbournes Kn uckle Wrote: Oh, and what a shocker, Clegg and B.B.C. in anti Brexit article.

It wasn't anti-Brexit - he went to find out why a place like Ebbw Vale that has benefitted from significant EU investment would vote to leave the EU. I thought Clegg did well to keep a lid on his pro-EU feelings.

Oh sorry which bit isn't true? 
EU investment. 

Where does it get its money from? Thin air? Trees? 

Or would that be from the net contributions we (and a few others) have always made to it, year after year? Can we not fund projects Ebbw Vale directly, without a grasping, wasteful, corrupt organisation dipping its fingers in before it gives us a pittance back?

(03-30-2017, 05:55 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(03-30-2017, 04:03 PM)John Osbourne Wrote: "Brexiteers have let Germany win the peace." What a ridicules, meaningless statement! Even if it was not a moronic utterance I think it simply wrong. Germany had already "won the peace". The E.U already dances to Germany's tune. What Deutschland says goes. Me thinks if the U.K had that much sway over what went on over fifty percent of Brits would not have voted out.
Britain went to war to defeat Nazism and totalitarianism, which we did, not to subjugate the German people. I can't believe the highly educated, supremely intelligent, barley out of nappies, we know better the you, quasi communist lefties would want us to be lording it over the German people al la Imperialism. So winning the war is an irrelevant argument. 
The Marshall Plan can be cited as being a great help in Germany gaining a dominant position industrially ; that and the fact Germany adopted a more Laissez-Faire attitude to trade and kept loaning the central pot from the Plan to businesses at low rates rather than swallowing it up on one off infrastructure schemes. Also bear in mind Germany had to invest in new tooling following the war whilst British industry struggled on with outdated technology. That was the was winning generation's fault not the Boomers.
It's a stretch to blame the the state of Britain's finances on 'Baby Boomers' other than for the fact they are the parents of the 20 and 30 somethings, those, I'm alright Jack, scruple-less, highly educated, young, greed merchants of the nineties and noughties who really sent the country belly up. (Oh, I do have to admit there was one 'Boomer' greatly to blame... Tunna Blair). As an old, decrepit, working class thick git (only two degrees) I will accept that we were too permissive in allowing young, barley out the scrotum, self opinionated anti democratic t*ts to think their views are the only ones to have any credence. Sorry for the composition of this little diatribe but it's the best a product of a factory fodder producing Secondary Modern school can scribble with his crayon.

Oh, and what a shocker, Clegg and B.B.C. in anti Brexit article.

Erm the 90s and 00's generation have seen house prices soar, rents soar, social housing struggle to keep up with demand, lose job security, struggle to save, struggle to save for a pension and be the first generations in living memory worse off than their parents. 

The Baby Boom generation is the most selfish generation in living memory.

Of all the tosh you've come out with...

Oh sorry which bit isn't true?

The last bit. The millennials are way worse. Like the f***wit on Newsnight a few nights ago who wanted to stay in the EU for the very persuasive reason of 'showing her children teamwork'.

I wish I'd voted remain, now.

She can now show them intolerance and jingoism instead.  Every cloud and all that Wink
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#37
(03-31-2017, 05:30 PM)Hi ODerek Hardballs Wrote:
(03-31-2017, 05:06 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(03-30-2017, 08:08 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(03-30-2017, 06:53 PM)Hi Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(03-30-2017, 04:26 PM)chasetownbaggie Wrote: It wasn't anti-Brexit - he went to find out why a place like Ebbw Vale that has benefitted from significant EU investment would vote to leave the EU. I thought Clegg did well to keep a lid on his pro-EU feelings.

Oh sorry which bit isn't true? 
EU investment. 

Where does it get its money from? Thin air? Trees? 

Or would that be from the net contributions we (and a few others) have always made to it, year after year? Can we not fund projects Ebbw Vale directly, without a grasping, wasteful, corrupt organisation dipping its fingers in before it gives us a pittance back?

(03-30-2017, 05:55 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: Erm the 90s and 00's generation have seen house prices soar, rents soar, social housing struggle to keep up with demand, lose job security, struggle to save, struggle to save for a pension and be the first generations in living memory worse off than their parents. 

The Baby Boom generation is the most selfish generation in living memory.

Of all the tosh you've come out with...

Oh sorry which bit isn't true?

The last bit. The millennials are way worse. Like the f***wit on Newsnight a few nights ago who wanted to stay in the EU for the very persuasive reason of 'showing her children teamwork'.

I wish I'd voted remain, now.

She can now show them intolerance and jingoism instead.  Every cloud and all that Wink
Like an illogical, sweeping intolerance of B.M.W. drivers?
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#38
(03-31-2017, 05:48 PM)John Osbourne Wrote:
(03-31-2017, 05:30 PM)Hi ODerek Hardballs Wrote:
(03-31-2017, 05:06 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(03-30-2017, 08:08 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(03-30-2017, 06:53 PM)Hi Mandown_Pilt Wrote: Oh sorry which bit isn't true? 
EU investment. 

Where does it get its money from? Thin air? Trees? 

Or would that be from the net contributions we (and a few others) have always made to it, year after year? Can we not fund projects Ebbw Vale directly, without a grasping, wasteful, corrupt organisation dipping its fingers in before it gives us a pittance back?


Of all the tosh you've come out with...

Oh sorry which bit isn't true?

The last bit. The millennials are way worse. Like the f***wit on Newsnight a few nights ago who wanted to stay in the EU for the very persuasive reason of 'showing her children teamwork'.

I wish I'd voted remain, now.

She can now show them intolerance and jingoism instead.  Every cloud and all that Wink
Like an illogical, sweeping intolerance of B.M.W. drivers?

Do you drive one?
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#39
(03-31-2017, 05:51 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(03-31-2017, 05:48 PM)John Osbourne Wrote:
(03-31-2017, 05:30 PM)Hi ODerek Hardballs Wrote:
(03-31-2017, 05:06 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote:
(03-30-2017, 08:08 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: Oh sorry which bit isn't true?

The last bit. The millennials are way worse. Like the f***wit on Newsnight a few nights ago who wanted to stay in the EU for the very persuasive reason of 'showing her children teamwork'.

I wish I'd voted remain, now.

She can now show them intolerance and jingoism instead.  Every cloud and all that Wink
Like an illogical, sweeping intolerance of B.M.W. drivers?

Do you drive one?
No, felt obliged to trade it in for an OAP bus pass after your rant not long ago!
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#40
(03-31-2017, 06:15 PM)John Osbourne Wrote:
(03-31-2017, 05:51 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(03-31-2017, 05:48 PM)John Osbourne Wrote:
(03-31-2017, 05:30 PM)Hi ODerek Hardballs Wrote:
(03-31-2017, 05:06 PM)Mandown_Pilt Wrote: The last bit. The millennials are way worse. Like the f***wit on Newsnight a few nights ago who wanted to stay in the EU for the very persuasive reason of 'showing her children teamwork'.

I wish I'd voted remain, now.

She can now show them intolerance and jingoism instead.  Every cloud and all that Wink
Like an illogical, sweeping intolerance of B.M.W. drivers?

Do you drive one?
No, felt obliged to trade it in for an OAP bus pass after your rant not long ago!

Do you harass the passengers in front of you by getting too close to them as they step on the bus, demanding they get out the way for you?
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