Ask yourself which side of UK history you want to be on..
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(04-02-2019, 12:16 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: The latter will care one way or the other depending upon the final decision between the first two, as they start to have an impact on their lives. 

Will they though?

Or are you just one of the people that has been convinced that this whole shitstorm is the be all and end all of the future of the UK?! I don't mean to have a go Derek but once again you seem to be passing off your own opinion as fact, when it really isn't a fact.

(04-02-2019, 12:16 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: Almost certainly the list I put up couldn’t give a shit about me or my family etc so I’m happy to single them out as people I wouldn’t want to be associated with.

By implication you think the people who would be on the "opposing" side to your list actually give a shit about you?
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(04-02-2019, 12:16 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(04-02-2019, 11:47 AM)The Real PK Wrote: My only question would be why do people feel the desire to "need" to be on either one side or the other?

Why not just be on your own side, and observe the very general rule of thumb that none of them actually give a fuck about you?

Because there are pretty much three broad brushstroke I know groups of people. Those that advocate Brexit and those that don’t and the I don’t care group. The latter will care one way or the other depending upon the final decision between the first two, as they start to have an impact on their lives. 

Do you seriously judge people based on the one topic only, and on how they voted some 2 years ago against the back drop of so much
bullshit, misinformation and lies from almost every direction you might care to look at?

Let me enlighten you a little, there are those that were Brexiteers who are not to be taken that seriously or even trusted, there are 
those who were totally against leaving the EU who exactly fit much the same criteria. Leave or remain, with or without a deal, it is
going to work out, this is not Syria or the Yemen, worse case we might run out of bog rolls or cheap tomatoes not the roof above
our head or the air we breathe.

Relax a little Derek and get busy living life, those that try to control our everyday lives albeit it in Westminster or Brussels will continue
no matter what the outcome, just packaged in a different way
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#13
Ay it Beano.

The only thing more boring than the constant fucking no-news stories being trotted out every half an hour about Brexit is the boring bastards that keep going over the same thing over and over again, either pretending or weirdly actually believing that the side they voted for is right, and actually has their and others' best interests at heart.

If there was a clear right or wrong answer it wouldn't still be going on nearly 3 years later. It's all a load of bollocks.
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(04-02-2019, 01:30 PM)IThe Real PK Wrote:
(04-02-2019, 12:16 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: The latter will care one way or the other depending upon the final decision between the first two, as they start to have an impact on their lives. 

Will they though?

Or are you just one of the people that has been convinced that this whole shitstorm is the be all and end all of the future of the UK?! I don't mean to have a go Derek but once again you seem to be passing off your own opinion as fact, when it really isn't a fact.

(04-02-2019, 12:16 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: Almost certainly the list I put up couldn’t give a shit about me or my family etc so I’m happy to single them out as people I wouldn’t want to be associated with.

By implication you think the people who would be on the "opposing" side to your list actually give a shit about you?

It’s not my opinion that if we fall out of the EU without a deal it will be financially harmful or extremely harmful depending upon who you believe. That’s the view of professionals, business and others. Even Mogg has admitted it would have a disruptive effect on the country for upto 50yrs. That’s not me passing anything off as fact. Or it could be that the Brexiteers are right and the can’t be bothered group will live in a happier, more prosperous country. Either way everyone in the country will be affected.

No I don’t think any on either list currently posted care about me as an individual but my list includes people happy to see workers rights and conditions lowered, one is Tommy Robinson ffs, Farage etc. My dislike of those on the list extends past the parameters of Brexit. It just so happens their views on the subject differ hugely from mine which I’m happy about. 

No one in football gives a shit what we think about the football either but most of us still post our observations. It’s a very odd way to judge a situation imo, by weighing up whether that person they dislike / mistrust / disagree with gives a shit about their opinion before they should comment on them.

(04-02-2019, 02:42 PM)The Real PK Wrote: Ay it Beano.

The only thing more boring than the constant fucking no-news stories being trotted out every half an hour about Brexit is the boring bastards that keep going over the same thing over and over again, either pretending or weirdly actually believing that the side they voted for is right, and actually has their and others' best interests at heart.

If there was a clear right or wrong answer it wouldn't still be going on nearly 3 years later. It's all a load of bollocks.

If you find the subject boring post a thread on something you find interesting, like darts for example. Wtf did you expect to see when you popped over onto a board dedicated to politics at the moment? The hanging gardens of Theresa May (now there’s a euphemism) Wink
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(04-01-2019, 08:55 PM)Sotv Wrote: Except of course it doesn’t. It’s a matter of opinion, but as ever you present your opinion as fact.
Abbot is a bigot
Owen Jones would quite happily see the country ran as a socialist republic.
Andrew Mitchell - I’m sure you love ex public schoolboys deciding on foreign development
Soubry is deliberately seeking to overturn the will of the majority in a democracy.
The point is my list contains people who you vilify purely for being Tories last week, this week you defend them based on the wind up you think is funny.

So the will of the people was to leave with a deal that is worse than the deal we currently have by a country mile. If you did vote for that scenario you are the King of Clarnets.
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(04-03-2019, 07:06 AM)billybassett Wrote:
(04-01-2019, 08:55 PM)Sotv Wrote: Except of course it doesn’t. It’s a matter of opinion, but as ever you present your opinion as fact.
Abbot is a bigot
Owen Jones would quite happily see the country ran as a socialist republic.
Andrew Mitchell - I’m sure you love ex public schoolboys deciding on foreign development
Soubry is deliberately seeking to overturn the will of the majority in a democracy.
The point is my list contains people who you vilify purely for being Tories last week, this week you defend them based on the wind up you think is funny.

So the will of the people was to leave with a deal that is worse than the deal we currently have by a country mile. If you did vote for that scenario you are the King of Clarnets.

I am not a big fan of a second referendum but think the argument that it deliberately seeks to overturn the will of the majority is so much nonsense.

If a second referendum results in a vote for Brexit it confirms the will of the people as it was in 2016. If there is a majority for remain it still reflects the will of the people, but would demonstrate that the people have changed their mind since 2016.

Like I say I think there are problems with a second referendum, but being anti democratic and against the will of the people is not one of them.
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(04-03-2019, 08:24 AM)Shabby Russian Wrote:
(04-03-2019, 07:06 AM)billybassett Wrote:
(04-01-2019, 08:55 PM)Sotv Wrote: Except of course it doesn’t. It’s a matter of opinion, but as ever you present your opinion as fact.
Abbot is a bigot
Owen Jones would quite happily see the country ran as a socialist republic.
Andrew Mitchell - I’m sure you love ex public schoolboys deciding on foreign development
Soubry is deliberately seeking to overturn the will of the majority in a democracy.
The point is my list contains people who you vilify purely for being Tories last week, this week you defend them based on the wind up you think is funny.

So the will of the people was to leave with a deal that is worse than the deal we currently have by a country mile. If you did vote for that scenario you are the King of Clarnets.

I am not a big fan of a second referendum but think the argument that it deliberately seeks to overturn the will of the majority is so much nonsense.

If a second referendum results in a vote for Brexit it confirms the will of the people as it was in 2016. If there is a majority for remain it still reflects the will of the people, but would demonstrate that the people have changed their mind since 2016.

Like I say I think there are problems with a second referendum, but being anti democratic and against the will of the people is not one of them.

Agreed.
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#18
How bout a referendum asking if we need a second referendum?
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#19
(04-03-2019, 08:28 AM)Malcolm Tucker Wrote:
(04-03-2019, 08:24 AM)Shabby Russian Wrote:
(04-03-2019, 07:06 AM)billybassett Wrote:
(04-01-2019, 08:55 PM)Sotv Wrote: Except of course it doesn’t. It’s a matter of opinion, but as ever you present your opinion as fact.
Abbot is a bigot
Owen Jones would quite happily see the country ran as a socialist republic.
Andrew Mitchell - I’m sure you love ex public schoolboys deciding on foreign development
Soubry is deliberately seeking to overturn the will of the majority in a democracy.
The point is my list contains people who you vilify purely for being Tories last week, this week you defend them based on the wind up you think is funny.

So the will of the people was to leave with a deal that is worse than the deal we currently have by a country mile. If you did vote for that scenario you are the King of Clarnets.

I am not a big fan of a second referendum but think the argument that it deliberately seeks to overturn the will of the majority is so much nonsense.

If a second referendum results in a vote for Brexit it confirms the will of the people as it was in 2016. If there is a majority for remain it still reflects the will of the people, but would demonstrate that the people have changed their mind since 2016.

Like I say I think there are problems with a second referendum, but being anti democratic and against the will of the people is not one of them.

Agreed.

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(04-02-2019, 07:27 AM)ColliersWoodBaggie Wrote:
(04-01-2019, 01:15 PM)Sotv Wrote: Both side can collate lists of unsavoury characters or idiots, you are on the same side as  :
Diane Abbott
Tony Blair
Owen Jones
Anna Soubry
Andrew Mitchell
Theresa May
Oliver Letwin

You can't compare any of those to that Cockroach, Tommy Robinson, or Walter the Softy Rees-Mogg.

Correct. FFS
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(04-03-2019, 08:24 AM)Shabby Russian Wrote:
(04-03-2019, 07:06 AM)billybassett Wrote:
(04-01-2019, 08:55 PM)Sotv Wrote: Except of course it doesn’t. It’s a matter of opinion, but as ever you present your opinion as fact.
Abbot is a bigot
Owen Jones would quite happily see the country ran as a socialist republic.
Andrew Mitchell - I’m sure you love ex public schoolboys deciding on foreign development
Soubry is deliberately seeking to overturn the will of the majority in a democracy.
The point is my list contains people who you vilify purely for being Tories last week, this week you defend them based on the wind up you think is funny.

So the will of the people was to leave with a deal that is worse than the deal we currently have by a country mile. If you did vote for that scenario you are the King of Clarnets.

I am not a big fan of a second referendum but think the argument that it deliberately seeks to overturn the will of the majority is so much nonsense.

If a second referendum results in a vote for Brexit it confirms the will of the people as it was in 2016. If there is a majority for remain it still reflects the will of the people, but would demonstrate that the people have changed their mind since 2016.

Like I say I think there are problems with a second referendum, but being anti democratic and against the will of the people is not one of them.

No fan either of the second referendum and if it were to go ahead getting the question right is crucial, but knowing the gene pool we live in relatively well I think I can assume many remainers would still vote remain and many leavers would vote leave even though they have now heard how crap that deal is going to be. 

That said as has already been detailed due to the demographic shift in the country a vote now on the same question - and if everyone voted the same way - would lead to remain as the winner simply because all the old fogies who wish it was 1955 and still think the British Empire exists will have passed away.
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